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Okay, as the title says wich one is better the LFR Souldrinker or the Hand of Morchok Normal for a DW Frost DK?

Thanks in advance // Pasha

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not sure if its really possible to say at this point yet. in theory maybe it will be but in action..

Currently the order (best to worst) for DS weapons seems to be:

Souldrinker HC/Souldrinker NM/HoM HC/Souldrinker LFR/HoM NM

Basically, the proc is really good.

Okay so basically Souldrinker HC is BiS for a Frost DK?

01/12/2011 22:30Posted by Marcuss

Okay so basically Souldrinker HC is BiS for a Frost DK?

Yes, Souldrinker is best in slot in Normal mode aswell, it's even better than Morchok heroic as far as the sims shows due to the weapon proccing of all abilities, and not just auto swings.

Should I ( a frost dk with 359 Weapons) have prio over a Prot Warr and Paladin for the Souldrinker?

ye i think a dk shul haw a prio to souldrinker same for fury warrior to but most the dk sins its the most juseful in frost spec comperd to fury

@Pasha

The LFR loot rules design doesn't consider what you have currently equipped, it's based on what your class and role in the raid are. What you are thinking of, I suspect, is priority based on the need for an upgrade. That's a rule that's used by lootmasters in some raid groups, there's no lootmaster in LFR.

I was a 2H frost DK in the LFR and I managed to need and WIN Souldrinker.

It's based on spec and class I think because when I tried rolling for Souldrinker when I was Unholy, I did not receive role bonus.

I'd like a suggestion for my OH weapon if I was to go DW Frost instead of 2H.

There doesn't seem to be any reason why we shouldn't equip two Souldrinkers, they're not Main Hand only or Unique Equipped. But if you only get one the Hand of Morchok would probably be the best offhand once gemmed when the strength bonus is taken into account.

So active spec is taken into account for whether there is a roll bonus. Useful info. That should also mean that Unholy will get the bonus when rolling for Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps.

Souldrinker HC > Hand of Morchok HC > Souldrinker normal

Proc isn't as good as It has been made out to be in sims. Ran a lot of tests on target dummies and raid bosses and the proc is 'only' doing between 1.5-2% of my overall damage (Single Souldrinker Normal)

I'd say that the order is: Souldrinker HC > HoM HC > Souldrinker Normal > HoM Normal > Souldrinker LFR > HoM LFR

Combatlog of Ultraxion:

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-nhg39gqz1yiz17bm/sum/damageDone/?s=2348&e=2550

As you can see Drain life damage is 1.6% with a damage done of 116915 out of a total 7747444

03/12/2011 00:03Posted by Galantmon

ye i think a dk shul haw a prio to souldrinker same for fury warrior to but most the dk sins its the most juseful in frost spec comperd to fury

That's pure BS. Souldrinker is the only weapon in DS created with tanks in mind. Sure, DKs & SMF warriors can use it to dps with, but there are other options. Souldrinker should be passed to tanks as there are no other tanking weapons in DS.

Nice english btw.

Souldrinker is stronger, the better rest of your gear is. Many sims are done with different gear set ups and above all different stamina (and haste, and mastery) set ups.

I think a bit like ganaza that souldrinker probably outscales the axe, but lower tier soudlrinker doesnt scale above axe. The same reason I do not have LFR souldrinker and gave it to someone else and decided to keep my HC cleaver instead.

But thats opinion based on my dps gear and may not be what applies to bis gear set ups and so on.

@Pasha

The LFR loot rules design doesn't consider what you have currently equipped, it's based on what your class and role in the raid are. What you are thinking of, I suspect, is priority based on the need for an upgrade. That's a rule that's used by lootmasters in some raid groups, there's no lootmaster in LFR.

ballz , that's why i lose agility items to elemental shamans ? :))

i won mine in LFR, received the loot roll bonus, and beat the tank even as dps spec.

just sayin'

I currently have two normal souldrinkers and my dps is very good with them, I am able to hold 30k + on a raiders dummy. Soon I will have two heroic hand of morchok seeing as he is very easy imo and I just farm him every week along with the others. Sims has said to have proven Heroic hand of morchok is better. Soon I will be testing and posting back my results. If anyone could try there dps out (with 2 souldrinkers normal or 2 heroic Hand of morchoks or maybe even both) could you leave a reply and tell us which was better for you :) ~Zaylax, Infamy Wildhammer Eu

i'd just like to say, blood dks can get the roll bonus for this Souldrinker, so us tanks can gear for OS

Is there any update to this discussion? I myself think 2 x HoM would be better and reforge surplus expertise to haste, surely over time this would make up the additional small percentage increase? I think Souldrinker is best left for tanks. Its a pretty rare drop too the old Souldrinker so the chances of getting 2 would take quite some time - even for a dedicated raid group. I gues the best person to answer would be the person who has tried both?

Edit - speaking as an Orc character for the additional expertise btw...