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How much DPS is needed for this fight on 10man? we kinda wipe at 4mil or something...

You pretty much just answered your own question?

Thats why i asked how much is OK to have DPS ?

Use 2 healers

He is down worked well with 2 healers we popped BL at start.Thanks !

We used a standard 2-3-5 setup, and used BL at 20%..

We killed him in 5m34s after only 5 wipes..

If you fail on Enrage with 6 dps, them you do something wrong..

Well, we didn't kill him yet, only got him down to 7% but there are a few things that will make this fight quite easy.

1: People need to use Heroic Will at the end of his Hour of Twilight cast.
2: People need to use Heroic Will at the end of their Fading Light debuff.
3: Healers need to use the Crystals.
4: Never leave him alone in the Twilight Realm.

Sounds easy and technically it is as long as you communicate and people get used to use Heroic Will at the right time.

We tried this fight with to first then three healers, making it safe and the only reason we didn't get him yet is because people fail on the Heroic Will, including myself.

We discovered a couple of watchouts in this fight.

1: Your Fading Light debuff goes out right after Hour of Twilight is cast.
2: Healers get a sudden Aggro and get one shotted.
3: Fading Light debuff is very buggy with Debuff addons such as xPerl.
4: Your Heroic Will button is buggy with addons such as Bartender.
5: You cast Heroic Will within the HoT cast, but get killed anyway, possibly Latency problem.

During our 3xHeal attempts our raid HPS was 90k and the raid DPS was 150k
During our 2xHeal attempts our raid HPS was 70k and the raid DPS was 180k

Regarding crystals we let our resto druid take the red, our holy pala take the green and I got the last one as a resto shaman. If pala goes down I take the green.

During the HoT we use a fmage for the three first with 2xCauterize and 1xIceblock.
Just make sure to top him off and heal him before his Cauterize DoT kills him when you return :)

All in all, just a matter of coordination and communication. If all have focus and you have no technical problems, it's possible to faceroll him in pure 378 gear.

/Bh

Wow Bhramina why are you complicating things?

1. Yes, as long as they don't stretch it with latency etc. All extra dps helps.
2. Meh, this is rather tricky imo if you don't watch Hour of Twilight timer. Heroic will lasts 5 seconds, but also has 5 second cooldown. So if you use it at 1 second of fading light left, and there's an Hour of Twilight incoming, it WILL be on cooldown and you're screwed. Only do this if you're sure no Hour of Twilight is incoming imo, there's overlaps we noticed and wiped to it.
3. Ofcourse.
4. Sounds fair. :)

Other points:

1. To avoid overlap, as said before, use heroic will at jump between 5-4 seconds on fading light. You can spamclick it and only a really small window of opportunity to get one-shot will happen.
2. May be a bug, but tanks drop all aggro after they removed fading debuff. More likely tanks messing up or healers clicking too late if you ask me. Although yeah, could be bug, not denying that.
3. Timers are off, but just have a warning when you get it and watch counter yourself imo.
4. You can just keybind /click ExtraActionButton1
5. Sounds like bad timing.

Just as comparison, on our kill (3heal) we had 170k raid dps, and 130k hps (though 30% or so overhealing) and it went down around 5:30. Hard enrage is 6 minutes, so a total of just under 160k raid dps is needed.

Didn't heal it, but if you have a holy paladin I would STRONGLY suggest testing blue buff with him. Spamming holy radiance will be insane if you ask me. Our shaman took red, holy priest green and druid blue, although my guess is switching our priest to PoH spamming with blue is better if we use that set-up again.

Main issue is here though: why do you use a firemage to soak the 300k? :p
Tanks get a 50% reduction on all their cooldown. If you got a paladin tank he can glyph divine protection and take it with just that (although my hp was only like 190k and it still hits for 160k, so I popped something else in the mean time just to be safe; next time scale of life for bigger hp pool and 3HoPo WoG + some hots + scales selfheal should keep me safe). Pretty sure it's meant to be taken by tanks and rather easily as well. :)

04/12/2011 21:30Posted by Gnomatic

How much DPS is needed for this fight on 10man? we kinda wipe at 4mil or something...

This is a sligtly stupid question, don't you think?
The enrage timer is 6 minutes.
Divide his HP by 6, and then by 60 (cause you wand the dps, not the dp minute^^). Now you have the raid dps you need to beat him within the enrage timer ;) now, look at your tanks' dps, take that off the value you just got, and divide the rest by the number of dps characters you have. there.

of course this might also be a hidden mimimi about the boss' hp ;) in this case i suggest you tell your dps to work on their skills ;)

congrats on your kill with 2 healers btw. but you should really work on your group's dps, because you will be getting serious problems with this at a point in the near future, i predict.

push dps

stretch your arms up above your head as high as you can.
cmon streeeeetch!


















now stretch just a bit more :)

Stupid question: is his health on 10 HC now 85m * .85? ...which would mean we need 200k rDPS.
Or were the nerfs 5pct and then 15pct added to it? ...which would require 190k rDPS.

(Checked wowhead but it still states 85m.)

You only need 209k raid dps at 5% so I imagine you would only need around 190k or lower raid dps now.

My guild got our first heroic kill on sunday. Avg. raid dps was approx 27k. Highest 37k lowest 20k. Rolled with 2 tanks, 2 healers and 6 dps. The trick is making the best use of your abilities. I started tricksing our fury warrior instead of the tank (derp) and his dps increased quite a lot. Get your healers to dot up or do a lil' dmg to him at the start when there's little to no healing required. Pre-potting works nice and should be taken advatage of. Lusting after the 5th twilight worked the best for us but whatever works I guess. If nobody screws up on fading light and twilights you should be set for a new heroic kill! Good luck

Stupid question: is his health on 10 HC now 85m * .85? ...which would mean we need 200k rDPS.
Or were the nerfs 5pct and then 15pct added to it? ...which would require 190k rDPS.

(Checked wowhead but it still states 85m.)

It's his original HP *.85

Don't work on a 6 minute fight though. Aim to kill it by 5:00-5:30. At about that time you've basically hit the soft enrage where healing is nuts. With the nerfs its not actually such a stretch. Use double pots, double bloodlust (if available) and so on. I'm far from elitist but if you can't hit the dps check on this with ~390 gear then you need to go and smack a dummy to perfect your rotation (this wasn't aimed at the person I quoted!)

You realise it's 5 month old thread when he used to be a dps check? If you can't defeat him now, it's very sad.

17/04/2012 06:08Posted by Naq

You realise it's 5 month old thread when he used to be a dps check? If you can't defeat him now, it's very sad.

In 10man it was never a dps check.

Yeah it was, don't make out that 25-man is some sort of hardcore variation. :)

By DPS check, I mean it's simply there because if you can't get ultra down, you don't have the DPS for the bosses that follow; that's all a DPS check is.

17/04/2012 11:10Posted by Lienori

Yeah it was, don't make out that 25-man is some sort of hardcore variation. :)

Considering the fact we've scored our first Ultraxion HC kill with alts in 10man the same day we've actually tried hardmodes (5:27 or something like that) while we kept wiping to enrage over and over in 25man and it took us another week to finally get it down, I somehow do not feel like it's being dps check at all. Ok we do not tried warmaster in 10man yet (mostly because 4 hours per week for both progress and rekill is quite low) so can't compare this one, but first 5 bosses are just laughable in 10man hc.

17/04/2012 06:08Posted by Naq

You realise it's 5 month old thread when he used to be a dps check? If you can't defeat him now, it's very sad.

You realize that you don't even know how geared our raid is, right? ...or anything else about our raiding group. I did not say anything about our DPS.

Some of us still have LFR gear, only one person has at least few HC pieces, we have just had our first attempt on Ultrax HC. In fact it is our first HC boss. (We didn't have tanks on the day we started on Morchok this week.)
Comments like yours are sad.

Stupid question: is his health on 10 HC now 85m * .85? ...which would mean we need 200k rDPS.
Or were the nerfs 5pct and then 15pct added to it? ...which would require 190k rDPS.

(Checked wowhead but it still states 85m.)

It's his original HP *.85

Don't work on a 6 minute fight though. Aim to kill it by 5:00-5:30. At about that time you've basically hit the soft enrage where healing is nuts. With the nerfs its not actually such a stretch. Use double pots, double bloodlust (if available) and so on. I'm far from elitist but if you can't hit the dps check on this with ~390 gear then you need to go and smack a dummy to perfect your rotation (this wasn't aimed at the person I quoted!)

Thanks a lot for valuable reply :)
Cheers