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17/04/2012 12:22Posted by Kulisek

Considering the fact we've scored our first Ultraxion HC kill with alts in 10man the same day we've actually tried hardmodes (5:27 or something like that) while we kept wiping to enrage over and over in 25man and it took us another week to finally get it down, I somehow do not feel like it's being dps check at all. Ok we do not tried warmaster in 10man yet (mostly because 4 hours per week for both progress and rekill is quite low) so can't compare this one, but first 5 bosses are just laughable in 10man hc.

Oh shut the !@#$ up already, everything's laughable these days.

You realize that you don't even know how geared our raid is, right? ...or anything else about our raiding group. I did not say anything about our DPS.

Some of us still have LFR gear, only one person has at least few HC pieces, we have just had our first attempt on Ultrax HC. In fact it is our first HC boss. (We didn't have tanks on the day we started on Morchok this week.)
Comments like yours are sad.

5man/LFR gear shall be completely enough to do it unless you have totally horrible setup. While 25man can survive till the end and hit the enrage, in 10man you shall aim to kill him below 5:30 where healing becomes too crazy. Just bloodlust at the start with healers in other plane, be sure to double pot, your healers might do some "dps" in first minute or so if you still feel uncertain about your damage...

You realize that you don't even know how geared our raid is, right? ...or anything else about our raiding group. I did not say anything about our DPS.

Some of us still have LFR gear, only one person has at least few HC pieces, we have just had our first attempt on Ultrax HC. In fact it is our first HC boss. (We didn't have tanks on the day we started on Morchok this week.)
Comments like yours are sad.

5man/LFR gear shall be completely enough to do it unless you have totally horrible setup. While 25man can survive till the end and hit the enrage, in 10man you shall aim to kill him below 5:30 where healing becomes too crazy. Just bloodlust at the start with healers in other plane, be sure to double pot, your healers might do some "dps" in first minute or so if you still feel uncertain about your damage...

Honestly I would like to see the log from 10man HC Ultrax with 5mans/LFR gear. I mean it.

Too bad WOL doesn't add the info about the gear. (I know it can't due how the logs are stored/obtained.)

17/04/2012 14:21Posted by Jaromor

Honestly I would like to see the log from 10man HC Ultrax with 5mans/LFR gear. I mean it.

It'd be done with LFR gear easily, even pre-nerf. People did it week one in Firelands gear (just so you know, most of the time LFR gear > firelands gear due to more primary stats from extra gem slots. Also, depending on if you could get your t13 set bonus(es)).

Honestly I would like to see the log from 10man HC Ultrax with 5mans/LFR gear. I mean it.

Too bad WOL doesn't add the info about the gear. (I know it can't due how the logs are stored/obtained.)

my LFR geared hunter did 35k on Ultra Hc this reset. She did have however normal trinkets and *snaps fingers* .. Think she had normal helm. That's it. Of course it is class based how much DPS anyone does now with LFR gear. I think my rogue is not much behind (dagger- combat, :p). In LFr gear any dps can do 30k + I am not sure about dungeon gear by itself since set bonuses are that powerful nowadays. but in LFR gear, why not.

So it is not 5mans+LFR but Normal+LFR, just as we are on our first attempt.
And my guess is first Ultrax HC kills were done with LFR + FL HC gear.

So it is not 5mans+LFR but Normal+LFR.
And my guess is first Ultrax HC kills were done with LFR + FL HC gear.

I did not say it this way. I said my hunter alt had some items from normal raids. But I believe that someone, who plays hunter as main can dish out even more than I did or same with some lesser gear.

I didn't know it was normal etiquette to go into a "we need help with X boss" thread and say it's easy we killed it months ago you suck l2p. That doesn't help them at all. If their numbers are low you tell them the numbers they need to be hitting, or if they're slow you need to tell them how fast they need to be, otherwise it's just useless.

17/04/2012 16:48Posted by Raiju

go into a "we need help with X boss" thread and say it's easy we killed it months ago you suck l2p

welcome to cataclysm.

So many responses in this thread are contaminated by other topics.

17/04/2012 14:31Posted by Althaea

It'd be done with LFR gear easily, even pre-nerf. People did it week one in Firelands gear (just so you know, most of the time LFR gear > firelands gear due to more primary stats from extra gem slots. Also, depending on if you could get your t13 set bonus(es)).

People gained the 4-set and trinkets, if they replaced other items they'd effectively nerf themselves. The heroic Goblet of Anger is still a better OH than the normal DS OH etc etc.

Couple that with the craftables (the bracers are a true statboost as they have two red sockets) and you have a bit more stats coming from Hero FL into hero DS modes than people who go dungeon-lfr-normal-heroic. Of course everyone can get the crafted gear though, not having available gear working on heroic modes is not too smart.

I agree with Raiju btw. They got their answer from Charity, everything else is just..bickering (including mine). :)

17/04/2012 16:48Posted by Raiju

If their numbers are low you tell them the numbers they need to be hitting, or if they're slow you need to tell them how fast they need to be, otherwise it's just useless.

It's expected someone who can read and write can do elementary math as well. Dividing those 4 millions they lack by the time they kept being alive is not that hard, is it? All other solutions (survive longer or do more dps) are quite natural, there's not some "hidden perk" in it. Now as he (or she) didn't provided any more numbers there's not much to say (like... your tank shall do 2k damage more, Ultraxion doesn't really hit hard at all... that requires to see how much tank did there).

Nuvielle: people are not raiding just with mains, you know. There are a lot of switches in alt teams so you inevitably get some people who are barely dressed in ilvl 378 and never visited FL.

17/04/2012 14:21Posted by Jaromor

Honestly I would like to see the log from 10man HC Ultrax with 5mans/LFR gear. I mean it.

This

And wasn't Ds launched 2 weeks after Launch of 4.3, so most people did RF (Dream Paragon as we know) and these guilds were stacked in 391 Gear. LFR gear yes perhaps, 5 man gear . NO.

15% buff and normal.... I think you could go with 10k dps and still not wipe to enrage..

And about it being a dps check on 10/25 man.. it never was hard on 25 either, just most 25 guilds have a lot of low dps. Difference between 10 and 25 was that the "enrage" was like 5.30 on 10 man due to healing.

18/04/2012 08:56Posted by Kulisek

Nuvielle: people are not raiding just with mains, you know. There are a lot of switches in alt teams so you inevitably get some people who are barely dressed in ilvl 378 and never visited FL.

Yes. And nowadays with the nerf it's perfectly possible to go LFR-gear and craftables only and down bosses. That wasn't what happened when Ultra went down the first week though, so there's no point in using that as a reason from those who do to judge others performance.

18/04/2012 09:28Posted by Dutchmagoz

15% buff and normal.... I think you could go with 10k dps and still not wipe to enrage..

Go do 10k dps and see what happens. It won't go down ;)

Guys...the OP is a troll to steer some more 10vs25...
We have some dedicated threads on the matter, dont feed the troll plz :)

15% buff and normal.... I think you could go with 10k dps and still not wipe to enrage..

As of the 15% nerf ultraxion has 48.45mill HP. If you had 8 people doing 10k dps you'd wipe on enrage at about 40% boss health.

I know the point you are trying to make is "lol its so eezy" but please inject a little realism into your posts.

15% buff and normal.... I think you could go with 10k dps and still not wipe to enrage..

As of the 15% nerf ultraxion has 48.45mill HP. If you had 8 people doing 10k dps you'd wipe on enrage at about 40% boss health.

I know the point you are trying to make is "lol its so eezy" but please inject a little realism into your posts.

Ok fine, 18k dps and 2 tanks doing 10k.

Realism.

As of the 15% nerf ultraxion has 48.45mill HP. If you had 8 people doing 10k dps you'd wipe on enrage at about 40% boss health.

I know the point you are trying to make is "lol its so eezy" but please inject a little realism into your posts.

Ok fine, 18k dps and 2 tanks doing 10k.

Realism.

It was only 24/8k on release.... what do you expect?

So many responses in this thread are contaminated by other topics.

It'd be done with LFR gear easily, even pre-nerf. People did it week one in Firelands gear (just so you know, most of the time LFR gear > firelands gear due to more primary stats from extra gem slots. Also, depending on if you could get your t13 set bonus(es)).

People gained the 4-set and trinkets, if they replaced other items they'd effectively nerf themselves. The heroic Goblet of Anger is still a better OH than the normal DS OH etc etc.

Couple that with the craftables (the bracers are a true statboost as they have two red sockets) and you have a bit more stats coming from Hero FL into hero DS modes than people who go dungeon-lfr-normal-heroic. Of course everyone can get the crafted gear though, not having available gear working on heroic modes is not too smart.

I agree with Raiju btw. They got their answer from Charity, everything else is just..bickering (including mine). :)

Actually, for a resto druid like yourself, the 384 offhand is slightly better than the 391 goblet.

Ledger of Revolting Rituals

280 int.
152 spirit.
146 haste.

vs

Goblet of Anger

256 int.
154 spirit.
181 haste.

So 24 int more, 4 spirit less, 35 haste less. As haste is the hands down worst stat for resto druid after reaching 2005, and spirit is the second worst assuming you can hold your mana, then the ledger is actually better due to the extra int over the secondary stats.
Just thought I'd point that out to you ^_^.

And fyi, there's many other examples like this scattered through DS with other offpieces <.<.

17/04/2012 16:48Posted by Raiju

I didn't know it was normal etiquette to go into a "we need help with X boss" thread and say it's easy we killed it months ago you suck l2p. That doesn't help them at all. If their numbers are low you tell them the numbers they need to be hitting, or if they're slow you need to tell them how fast they need to be, otherwise it's just useless.

I did respond to the guy claiming that you needed better gear for the dps, and I claim you dont. Did not mean to tell anyone they suck :/