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Hello. I've been having this issue the last few nights on DW where I just drop down by Impale even through my Shield Wall. Sometimes I only take like 50-60% dmg from it and sometimes almost 90% and then sometimes, like on this picture I just get one shotted.

I don't know if this is my problem, some kind of bug, or just gear issue. Anyway, here is a picture to prove that I indeed had Shield Wall up and still took ~200k dmg and basically one shotting me. Would like to hear what others (warriors especially) take dmg from impale with SW.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1772/71262042.jpg

Use dream?

I do but we start on Ysera so I only have the option on the first platform. Also, do I understand something wrong but, isn't dream 50% and SW 40%, how come when I use dream I never drop below 50% but with SW I can die :/ The 10% shouldn't be that big of a difference.

I don't know to be honest we only started on it tonight thanks to some of our raid team being away but we have myself and a bear tanking the tentacles to tank swap when one of us gets impaled.
I couldn't prevent myself from being one shot without using dream, even popping all of my cds and healers pre-casting it still overkills me (on Ysera's) :/
So i know the feeling we're in the same boat ><

I don't know if it's a bug, but we had no problems on our first kill of Madness, coming back on Sunday for our second kill, we had the tanks dying despite using tank CDs / Dream. Relogging seems to solve it.

Also, your health seems a tad low. You shouldn't drop dead from a 200,000 hit fully raid buffed, especially if you've got Alexstrasza's buff (+20% health). As a healer, I make sure to top the Tank off as the Tentacle is casting Impale with our Disc Priest casting a Shield on the Tank. Tank at full health + Power Word: Shield + Shield Wall or Dream or Pain Suppression = Easy to heal. Timing Divine Light (my most powerful non-CD heal) to land just after Impale hits makes sure the Tanks don't die to Impale unless the CD's are messed up and the tank gets oneshot.

I've experienced this as well. Dead from full hp through shield wall. Could be intended I suppose, but it normally doesn't hit that hard.

Shield wall is enough, but the other tank gotta taunt asap when you get impale. So that you don't take an extra melee strike. That means;
You get the first impale debuff > other tank taunts > you run a little away, because of threat and stuff > the other tank takes the first melee swing.
This should ensure your survival. I am doing this on my warrior too, and it works.

Hmm.. you got hit by 2nd impale in a row?

Just checking, but you do know that the tank gets a debuff when he receives an impale that lasts something like 40 secs....increases future impale damage by 100%?

May be this that's killing you

Hello Khallie

I've been one tanking madness of deathwing. You havn't given us enough information to understand your raid tatics on defeating him.

How i take the impales. I start on green platform. I take two impales because of the dream as one of the dps is on another platform to make the last platofrm easyer. So that's one dps less for the green platform to kill the tentacle before the next impale.
I use last stand with dream for the 2nd impale on the green platform.
The rest i only take one impale. But if dps don't down the tentacle before the 2nd impale, it's a wipe. It's definitely close before the 2nd impale.

I will always have shield wall for the next platform. I always use my SW for the first impale. but I must be toped up before the impale or I wll die, and healers must give me buffs.
On my deathwing kill we took three healers: Shaman, Paladin and a Disc priest. They give realy good buffs, Like more HP and damage reduction.
Don't forget to put damage reduction ablilitys on the tentacle aswell.

Remember when getting hit by a impale, You will get a debuff that would make a 2nd impale hit you for around double the amount.

Impale does something like 200k damage, and with the impale debuff you will get hit for something like 400k damage(2nd impale on the same tank)
I tryed to take a 2nd impale with the debuff from help of the healers special spells that stop you from dieing, but it didn't work. I think blizzard puts a limit on how much damage you can take before dieing from certain spells that are surpose to top you from dieing.

I'm thinking it's a healer problem or to much of your raiders not spreading out to reduce the splash damage that the tentacle does to raiders. That might be putting alot of pressure on your healers to top you up.

Remember. There is lots of ways you can do deathwing.
Hope this helps.

Ah no, we use 2 tanks and I'm the 2nd one, taunting after first tank gets the impale debuff.

EDIT:

Okay how we do it. We go Ysera > Alex > Noz > Kale.

On everything before Kale, we have paladin tank taking first impale, and I taunt right after he gets the debuff. Then I tank it and I pop shield wall and engineering belt bubble if its available. On Ysera I just use dream on impale and use shield wall as I start tanking to reduce the overall dmg.

On Kale I start tanking and use SW on Impale, other tank taunts, and I go by the claw to avoid the bolt dmg until it lands using RC for raid.

My issues have been tanking mostly in Noz where I see impale being cast, I pop SW, see Im on full health and I still get one shotted. I have 200k hp even after loosing Alex's buff. On one of the logs I noticed that the Impale hit me for 192.358 (O: 20.463, A: 3179). I don't know about you but having SW up I think having over 200k hit from Impale seems a bit much. :/

Make sure the second tank taunts asap while impale is casted on you so you wont get another meele hit. A Shieldwall or laststand & 20% cd is enough to survive the impale if you are toped up. If you had a shield or any absorb on you the amount of damage you take may vary a lot.

How many healers do you take and what type of healers?

What i realy think helps me survive impales is the extra hp i get from the shaman healer and like 30-40k shield absorb from the disc priest.

We have 3 healers. Druid, Shaman and Paladin. They are all saying they're precasting big heals to land right after the impale.

Yeah I really wish we had Dpriest for that. I believe the bubble would make a world difference.

So it seems you mostly die on the Noz platform, try to use last stand on the Noz platform. The problem may be due to people not spreading out enough aswell.

At the moment we can only guess and hope to find the problem.

It's best to record the fight and have recount to show how you die and you current HP before taking the damage to see if you were toped off.

Hey my guild use 1 tank for this fight(me).
Platforms we do like this: red, green,yellow,blue.
1 plat: 1 inpale: dream second inpale: dream+boneshield.
2 plate: 1 inpale: dream second inpale: dream+boneshield.
3 plat: 1 inpale: Icebound fort(shieldwall) 2 inpale: boneshield+vampiric blood(last stand like), Hand of sac(from paladin) and empower rune wep(gives me a little more absoreb).
3 plat: 1 inpale The paladin bubbles me and i click it away right after the inpale, second inpale i got icebound fort of cd again and use it.

Maybe this helps.

Ps: sorry for my bad bad english.

Yeah. Unfortunately I don't think I can use Last Stand on Noz as we need RC on Kale for the bolt landing :(. I'm not 100% sure if it would be up for that. Might have to test and see.

Yeah that's another issue btw. When we have paladin or DK tanking the impales they say they have zero issues. Its just my shield wall. And they say they only take 160k hits from it, whereas I take 180-200k. I know some of it is gear but tbh that's a big increase. (Paladin uses GotAK and DK Icebound)

My warrior tank had the same problem. Sometimes I would just get one-shot through shield wall. Even without shieldwall the Impale is suppose to only hit for less then 200k since armor reduce the damage and warrior get something close to 60% damage reduction from armor. So with Shieldwall we're looking at around 120k damage, yet I've been hit for 200k.

I got no problems with my druid, I know all the mechanics. It's not hard to pop SW a couple of seconds before the debuff runs out and let the other tank taunt.

Juste easy math
first impale = 400k physical dmg
second impale = 800k physical dmg
defence stance reduce dmg takeny by 10%
demo shout reduce physical dmg done by 10%
shield wall reduce dmg taken by 40% unless glyphed
so with demo and shield wall you will take 400k*(1-0.4)(1-0.1)(1-0.1)=194.4k dmg
To your screenshot:
on left half you took 194.4k dmg and died possible healing issue you have to be full at hp
right half you didnt have demo shout on so you take extra 21.6k dmg and died thats your fail.

I have had no problem tanking this and What I do is use ysera cd for first impale then after that shield wall, you also have to be careful from melee hits, so the other tank needs to taunt at one sec left. If ppl are getting hit through shield wall, are u sure u are using shield wall early enough?

Also if you not at the full 200k+ hp u will die.