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OP you are good and nice man, I wish most of player base were of same kind

Figured I should put my ten pence worth in here.
The Ignore feature itself could do with some improvements.
That, I think many people would agree on.

As it stands, each character has his/her own friends & ignore list.
Only the friends list can even add notes as standard.
These lists are also too small.
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What I think should change:
1) scrap individual lists.
Instead of a max of 50 different friends & ignore lists, one space for each character on the associated warcraft account.
Just make a master battle.net list which is 50 times bigger.
Much more useful to the user and the data storage used at its max isn't going to change since the potential is accounted for already.

2) Add a checkbox next to the ignored name to allow a block of the entire associated battle.net account.
No need to know his other characters at all.
They can just be filtered server side so it prevents the level 1 > "$%%$", delete , level 1 "%£^$%" issues.

3) Please add a note option so one can add a comment as to why the player is on ignore.
The same already exists on the friends list.Nnothing worse than throwing someone on the list then months later wondering why.
Removing it then encountering said individual again and suffering the same level of anti-social behavior ect once more.

Edit: big typos.

13/12/2011 12:41Posted by Takralus

Round-the-clock monitoring of in-game chat for bad language is simply not feasible when you consider that there are over 100 English realms alone, then multiply that by the number of channels we'd have to watch. Obviously one person couldn't do a 24-hour shift, so that's roughly three people per channel per realm per day :S

No, but actively seeing GM's in channels, even occasionally, might make people think twice before doing something silly. On Roleplaying realms in particular if I stopped to report everything that is said that is technically against the RP server guidleines I would never have time to play. We need GM's to be more visible. The police use this tactic, they drive through estates and the mese fact of seeing the police car reduces the incidents of crime. Occasionally seeing a GM in the trade channel saying "Several participants in this conversation have been given a one hour bn for their behaviour" or something akin to that, would make a difference.

13/12/2011 14:03Posted by Takralus

I can't impress this on everyone enough: Offensive behaviour needs to be reported in the first place for us to be able to act on it. Although you'll never be told of the exact action we take, rest assured that we take a very dim view on players who seek to spoil the fun of others this way.

Make it easier to report people then. Lets have the right-click "Report player for spamming" expanded to give "report inappropriate language", "report inapropriate use of channel" and "Report inappropriate name" for starters. Right now I pretty much use report spam for all of the above in the hope a GM will do something about it, because as said above writing out a full report for each case leads to doing nothing but writing reports.

Edit (Additional): Some sort of karma system would be good, even if it's invisible to players and only appears in the background. Obnoxious players will be kicked from groups more often and appear on more peoples' ignore lists. Could this be scored in some way so they get lower priority on LFD and LFR or even all put in the same group together? Certainly it should reduce their kick timer so you don't have to wait to get rid of them.

14/12/2011 05:24Posted by Rokky

You should be able to just ignore stupid comments from stupid people. You never have to speak to them again, nor do you have to play with them.

Yes you should be able to ignore stupid comments from stupid persons, but what do you do when such a person goes on and makes a level 1 toon over and over (and I ain't talking 2-3 times but at least 20 times) and does the abuse AGAIN on that toon, then when you try and ignore that level 1 you get a "player not found". So you report that level 1 to Blizzard and all you ever get is "ignore them" from it. The person whose account was used to make such a toon for this person is STILL playing NOW and I never saw them ever get any consequences of what they did.

And btw, if a person who wants to "pick on you in this game happens to put you on ignore it does not stop them from STILL whispering abuse at you. I have tested this with my boyfriend and a person putting YOU on /ignore CAN still whisper you but all you get if you try reply and say "Leave me alone" is "xxxx is ignoring you".

If a player feels the need to not want to get you talking to them by putting you on /ignore they SHOULD NOT be able to STILL whisper you after doing this. I challenge you to test this out with a mate by putting one on ignore and then whispering them. The person in question I want to leave me alone should NOT be able to whisper me, and frankly their "dislike" is totally one-sided as I don't have any issues with them nor see any need to ignore them.

14/12/2011 05:24Posted by Rokky

This whole, "I don't accept this in real life, so why should I in a game" stance is immature in my opinion. In life you meet people, and may have to work with people that you don't respect, or like... get on with it and stop whining. 15/20 minutes of your time can't be that soul destroying, can it?

Right you were brought up in one way, and I was brought up in a different way. I was brought up to show respect to people. I was brought up that people deserve to be treated as I want to be treated myself. Also there's another aspect to name-calling people tend to forget. It relates to the old saying of "sticks and stones may break bones, but but words will never hurt me" but words DO and CAN hurt.

Words are a very powerful tool we all have. Especially where you cannot see the facial expressions of the person telling those words you need to guess the "body language" behind words. Words need to used a lot more careful than they are being used because there's a fine line between it just being "swearing" for "swearing" sake or being "anti-social behaviour towards another player".

Yes I swear but it is usually if I do something wrong in this game, or if the game goes wrong for me (like a DC in the middle of a boss fight). I do not believe I should swear at another player for their part in a dungeon run (i.e. healer not healing me because I can easily use a bandage or a healing pot, dps for being low because most boss fights are normalized at a 10k if someone bothers doing the maths of boss HP and the window of the boss fight until enrage happens, and a tank loosing aggro don't need me shouting at them as I can do stuff to remove aggro I gained and most classes have a spell for this or you can just stop with dps in such a case).

So I consider it offensive that you call the fact I expect to play with people who can behave civil as some form of "whining". I don't know how old you are but you seem to be of the "I don't care" age group, and most encounters I've had in this game of the "I don't care" type are in the early twenties. And as a guild leader I do have contact with a lot of players.

Tell a person who is being bullied RIGHT NOW at school and then perhaps logs onto WoW and then endures the same name calling it is not soul destroying. I can guarantee you that ANY counsellor at Samaritans or any other similar organization will tell you that being bullied will affect a person into adulthood. It causes depression, it causes social anxiety, it even has caused people to commit suicide and that's something that's been reported on the news. In the end there's a consequence and that consequence IS that it is soul destroying - not just for the VICTIM but for the person doing the name calling TOO! If you do something that is not the normal social norm it will affect you in the end too. And if you don't feel ashamed for doing the name calling, then maybe you need to sit down with someone and consider an anger management or similar counselling to help you express yourself without the need to resort to belittling those around you.

14/12/2011 05:24Posted by Rokky

And the "Swearing is bad" statement is also stupid. I sometimes swear, it's to emphasise your frustration, or distaste to something. Of course I don't condone homophobic or racist comments, but again, you should be able to ignore it, it's really not hard.

Swearing is all part of how you were brought up and your social influences. But separate it in TWO groups please: "Swearing" and "Swearing AT someone". It don't need to be the homophobic or racist comments you state but swearing at a person where the swear word is followed by the name of the player can be seen as "swearing at that player". And yes that player can put you on ignore for this outburst. But then again why did you need to do this outburst in the first place? If it was because of a wipe, heck you can just rez and try again. And instead of an outburst a funny comment can do wonders for the morale of the group, which is how I often "let out" frustration about dying. Like the other day I said "Didn't mean to die, but I had a wardrobe malfuction with my feign death". It got four "LOL" from it instead of them maybe being angry. And when someone in a group I was in died, I said "I think such and such needed a nap". It is very easy to make bad situations in pugs turn into being more pleasant by just cutting out more of the need to swear at people.

Well if it's me personal that I am swearing about I will swear, but it's not aimed at another player, and even then I add "excuse my French" to it in case a person in the group is offended by swearing. In the end if you want to swear, then just swear at your monitor and not in party or raid chat or other chat, and it's just a case of showing some constraint when typing. You said before in the rest of this post about "15-20 minutes time"... well that extra time to post a flood of swearing also takes time and while you type this swear words it is time others in the group are waiting for YOU.

Also there's a situation of being in a foul mood because of a bad day at work or college or whatever. If you're in a bad mood BEFORE logging on then just wait a few hours, watch a comedy to lighten your mood, and then log on. Because same thing as in "leave your issues at home at home, and those at work at work" also goes for this game. If you got issues in real life then leave them there and don't act on them in this game on people who had nothing to do with giving you a bad day.

14/12/2011 13:52Posted by Puggery

I am confused in a world where we pretend to be mighty warriors who charge across the battlefield cutting foes down here and there. That if someone turns round and says an insult we stop playing and cry, you shouldnt have to put up with it no, it is a wee bit annoying. But seriously dude sticks and stones?..

... but words will never hurt??

Believe me but ask an average person that counsels a person bullied at school and they will tell you that bullying and name called DOES HURT!

Sticks and stones would leave a bruise for a week or so...
Words can do hurt to a person that can last a life time... such a person can have depression or social anxiety because of it!

And believe me when I say that life's a torture for a person with social anxiety because I got some friends with it and life is not fun for them, but at least they know I am a friend and that I try help them and that I hope in the end will make things a lot better for them in the long run... and it all started for them because someone said something bad to them...

There is a difference to anti-social behavior and swearing like a sailor :P

I for one swear all the time, not really thinking about it seeing as how I serve in the military and the language in there is kind of rough... That being said, if he called you anything you have every right to demand that he stops, but if he is just swearing and can't really see how you could in anyway justify killing an entire party and then demanding they speak as you would...
And I don't really see this as "walking away" I see it more like stealing the dices from the boardgame and refusing to give them back unless people starts talking like you want them to talk.

There is a difference to anti-social behavior and swearing like a sailor :P

I for one swear all the time, not really thinking about it seeing as how I serve in the military and the language in there is kind of rough... That being said, if he called you anything you have every right to demand that he stops, but if he is just swearing and can't really see how you could in anyway justify killing an entire party and then demanding they speak as you would...
And I don't really see this as "walking away" I see it more like stealing the dices from the boardgame and refusing to give them back unless people starts talking like you want them to talk.

Dunno in what military you got your "accent" but swearign and name callign are 2 things... i myself say a loud f-k on teamspeak when pulled incorrect ;)

calling someone a noob/w*nker/c*nt/homophobe etc.. thats different and thats whats being discussed here..

When you sign up for this game you agree not to buy gold, you agree not to use cheating programs, you agree to be the only person using your account . . . and you agree not to use inappropriate language.

Why does one of these rules seem to be optional for a significant numer of players when the others are often the source of complaints of GM's "not doing enough"? Or if you don't like any of them to the point you feel you have to break it often maybe you should not have clicked that "I Agree" button.

Edit (additional): I swear all the time outside the game, but I've never entered into an agreement not to do that.

14/12/2011 12:58Posted by Vanjín

We can't say "Blizzard need to deal with this" or "Ignore them" all the time. There are situations were the WoW community have to act as well. For Blizzard to monitor all insults and swearing will be impossible and if we keep on ignoring the situation it will get worse because more and more players think they can get away with it.

Yeah maybe it's time we as the greater community said "enough is enough" and start to the people who did this "either you behave in a way WE think is the correct way to behave or you just don't belong with us anymore" by excluding them from our guilds, our raids, our dungeon runs, our pvp premades. In the end maybe the only solution is for all of us to stand up and say "enough is enough".

Best way for Blizzard to deal with the bullies and those who see need to be nasty to others is to adopt the same "anti-bully stance" present in many schools. And when we need to agree again to the ToS and such after a patch we also are made to sign a "No Bullying in WoW" pledge. And then IF a person does transgresses there's a clear cut reason why a person needed to be punished (but make the distinction here between "swearing" and "swearing at someone" and between "use of bad language" and "use of bad language at another player").

In the end we are in a mult-player environment and name calling does not have a place here ever in my opinion...

When you sign up for this game you agree not to buy gold, you agree not to use cheating programs, you agree to be the only person using your account . . . and you agree not to use inappropriate language.

Why does one of these rules seem to be optional for a significant numer of players when the others are often the source of complaints of GM's "not doing enough"? Or if you don't like any of them to the point you feel you have to break it often maybe you should not have clicked that "I Agree" button.

The i agree is a failsave for when i report a player that blizz doesnt really need an excuse to ban the guy (except for evidence) or better, remove from the game..
Same for when they "caught" you buying gold..

Simply swearing is not anti-social behaviour.

Yes. It is.

Additionally it will lead some others to the opinion that you are unimaginative, inarticulate, dull-witted and have an insufficient grasp of your own tongue. Which might not be true in all cases.

15/12/2011 17:20Posted by Atier

It's something the community need to band together and deal with.

I have sometimes complained afterwards about people who have been a complete pain to an officer of their Guild.

Mostly it gets ignored of course, and often, "Yeah? Like we care." But you occasionally get a, "Thanks. We care about the image of our guild. He'll be spoken to."

16/12/2011 13:48Posted by Redpanda

This is a request we see quite often. How does everyone feel about this idea, and how do you feel it would lessen anti-social behaviour?

I think there are two things that I'd like to see happen. The ignore slots increased and the ignores being account wide. (Both for the person ignored and for me. So that no matter what toon I'm on that person and all their toons are ignored by me.)
True, there may be more than one person playing on the account, but if they let an anti-social idiot play on their account without any repercussions then that's their own fault. I don't want to hear from that tool again or be grouped with him, on any of his/her toons.

This ^ pretty much sums up what I would like also. If this was implemented in game then surely given time all the abusive people would end up only being grouped together? I bet they wouldnt even get a dungeon complete if that was the case! Rages all around!

In regards to the OP doing what he did, if I had been in the same situation I would of done the same. I think if we all started making a stand against these kind of people that think it's just fine to go around spouting words at people as if it's an acceptable word to use, then they would maybe just maybe starting thinking before they start with the abuse.
Stranger things have happened I guess!

I stumbled across this thread by following a link from a well known wow news site and while I have not read every page and comment I have read enough of it to spot a few recuring themes.

I'd like to thank the OP for starting this discussion and for taking a stand on the issue. You have my commisserations on the repeated need to repeat your reasons for making the thread.

Re ignoring abuse with /ignore

I've read the arguments about just click ignore as a means of dealing with this problem. In my opinion this works to an extent for the invidual but doesn't help solve the problem for others.

You may be as thick skinned as a orc but the next recipient of this persons abuse might not be and by simply ignoring the abuser you're allowing them to carry on abusing other people.

Don't get me wrong ignore has it's uses and can be used to mitigate abuse from other players on personal basis.

I would welcome the exentions to the ignore facility suggested here by others account wide lists that can block whole battle net accounts and not just individual toons would certainly help some people deal with repeated abuse (ie bullying). And help everyone else deal with the inevitibility of meeting a few jerks along the journey through Azeroth.


Re Blizzard monitoring everything for you

I've read the arguments from people saying blizzard should have people reading all the channels all the time. Well thats not just all the realm and BG channels but all the LFR raid chanels and party chat channels. It's just not doable in my opinion. They couldn't possible monitor everything all the time and monitoring the public stuff all the time would be costly to them and ultimately to you as you had to stump up higher play time charges to pay for all the extra staff.

However, blizzard do appear to have logs of all the channels and fortunately there are already millions of people out there with the visibility of what goes on and the ability to report it.

I have done in the past and will in the future continue to report people I see being abusive to others or myself in game, be that in /1 /2 party raid or bg chat.

Not everyone has to report all abuse all the time for a difference to be made. If enough people who actually care about verbal abuse in game report it then at least the information is there for Blizzard to act on and a difference could be made.

I use an addon called Prat which enchances my chat window allowing me to copy and paste, this is very helpful when opening a ticket (possible this is a feature of the default UI now too). But just a time, chanel and player name should be enough I would have thought to allow Blizzard to locate the incident.

Other people will need to take action if you want the situation to change, that means you.

Thanks for reading

16/12/2011 08:24Posted by Gíant

hmm I to used to be a dongeon stalker was always in them Again yes about 5-10% you always get that rude group I myself love to chat in them.. most dont have a problem But as a healer someone is rude or treets me badly..I simply wont heal them if they question me I tel them why sometimes i get an apology.. sometimes i get more insults. the only way they learn outside of reporting is if players themselves act against them.. yes your sinking to there lavel.. but if you force these "rude players" games to be worse.. sometimes they will leave

yep same thing when i heal on my shaman, i love to chain heal but if there is a rude melee dps i refuse to heal them.. i call it selective healing ;) and i dont ress them either if they happen to die...

*highfive* selective healing always works!! wups didnt see you loose health there? you stand in aoe? silly..... stops my !@# geting kicked every time!

14/12/2011 20:59Posted by Camzaman

I got banned for 4 hours because I told a hunter to stop pulling, he told me to 'f off' said I was a bad tank tried to kick me (4k hp level38 bad tank ftw) but it failed. I then said 'Stop being a d****ebag and let me get on with my life' He then started complaining that I had no life, and that he had a life, started annoying me and saying horrible things about my mum. It says NOWHERE that you can raise a ticket for this. I told him to just f off and stop saying things about my mother, he took it seriously and got the others to join in.

Well I think there's two things here. First off not sure if you ever heard the expression "it takes two to tango", basically what it comes down to is that it takes two people to have an argument. At the point he told you to "f off" and tries to kick you, maybe you should then just "get on with your life" WITHOUT replying back to him with what you did.

If there's no fuel to stoke up the fire of an argument there's no argument. And guess what I know this from real life with a bad marriage then a divorce where I took the option "to walk away and let the ex rant on". Any stuff he said subsequently would not be said, and after leaving a group, you could just scroll up put him on ignore and just report pulled a foul mouth on you in good measure.

Every little transgression does add up, because why else do you think the Diablo 3 offer is done on the basis of "having an account in good standing" - good standing also includes your behaviour to other players. It is Blizzard's little nest egg to make US - the playing community - behave BETTER than we have been.

Maybe next time either leave the group after saying "sorry asked him to not pull and he did and I can't tank in this environment and apologies but I am leaving" or say to the group "I asked him not to pull but then he starts to be impolite and if he does it again I will need to leave and sorry if I leave". First option you leave immediately if you feel the way you were talked to was too nasty to continue and second option you're giving the person who is being nasty a second chance to behave. And in both situations you apologize to others in the group. And in neither response you get "aggressive" in your response.

If I was in a group with you and you had all this stuff spewed at you and not done anything other than asking to let you do YOUR job, I would have spoken up about that hunter in some manner such "He's asking to let him pull and not pull yourself...". I've been in thousands of pug groups over the years and it is always the "odd one" who has the need to ruin the fun for the group. And I've been in groups with the type you describe and almost always once THAT person was voted out of the group the group had banter and even at times did 2-3 other runs with the same group.

So maybe remember what I suggested here. Next time just ask the person not to pull instead of inserting any profanity in it or by referring to the person by any word such as the one you say you used. Neither of my sentences above had any word that another person could use as a reason for them to have a case against you, and if they make up stuff they're fighting against the logs for the whole of that dungeon run, and from what I understand the logs exist for several months, because I once had to report a player for something and the GM was looking at reports from several months ago for the player in question (or so they said to me).

As been suggested a few times in some of the posts I've been reading the option to "walk away" is there. If every person who does not accept the name calling just walked away and then reported the persons who see name calling as their fourth secondary profession, then the reports stack up against those people and after a while they WOULD get a "three strikes and you're out" and a six month ban or something for that behaviour. So when faced with a bad player in a group just walk away - i.e. leave the group...

Indeed be polite in every instance that way those bad eggs have no leg to stand on.. if they refuse thats when selective healing mode is engaged with warning of corse like in the above senario
tank has asked you
"not to pull/take pet taunt off/etc"

after tank asks 2 times I warn said player in both /p and in /w
"tank has asked you not to ninjer pull and or take pet taunt off/ other do as asked please or healing with you will cease as you are also making my job harder as well"

8 out of 10 they will reply "sorry didnt realise" or "ok i stop now was only having fun" or "other" and they genuinly stop

that 2 out of ten will simply eather not listen or go "you healer heal n00b" or other such rudeness

Instant healing stops usualy followed by a quick death for that one player they then ask for rez as always.. I grant one rez.. if they continue and die they have to run in.. usualy with more profanity later but usualy by that point me having kept tank alive and groups running smoother with the sour egg dead.. the bad one is kicked.. or leaves

One thing these bad ones hate is not being heeld they would sooner leave and always makes for a nicer group in the long run

as tank I once had a tank frend if a hunter did ninja pulls he would wisper to the rest of the group "he ninja pulls again do nothing once he die we carry on" shure enough ninja pulls... he dies.. tank begins tanking healer begins healing rest dps begins attack all laugh with the ninjer puller goint "wtf n00b tank do your job pull healer not healz why! /kick /kick /kick (all clicked no of corse and let him run in) always worth the treet and brightens every ones day when these ones get a taste of there own medicin with not a single profanity issued from those letting the bad one die XD

he ninja pulled and died his own fault *giggle giggle*

It's not about swearing. Really. It's not about the words, it's about the meaning, the abuse.

Let my try to explain with two examples;

"You noob! Learn 2 play! Go away!"

"Damnit mate, that transmo set is !@#$ing wicked!"

Which one uses most swearing? Which one is most abusive? See the difference?

I refer to the bottom paragraph if this blue post http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/816711831

"Posting TLDR (Too Long, Didn’t Read) is saying you don’t care about a player’s post. Posting L2P (Learn to Play) mocks the player for their skill or experience level rather than provide constructive input on the post itself. Both are considered trolling and will lead to a suspension."

So in answer to your questions. The first one is most abusive as it constitutes "trolling". The second is what I call "swearing not directed at another player" and you are using it as an expression of awe or amazement or similar.

If instead of the wording of your second example is was "you're gear looks ........ aweful" then it's "swearing directed at another player" and then there's a case to answer as to WHY you are even having to talk in that way to that other player.

Two unrelated examples used. One is against the Code of Conduct, other is just a case a /gasp expressed in words. But then the third player running past you and your mate could find it offensive to hear because they are a parent of a 12 year old child playing this game and report you for saying it because it is not the language they would want their child to use.