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While the OP has merits, some people need to get a thicker skin if you're still offended by such things on the internet. With that said I don't condone that kind of behaviour and I do like the incentive to put those people in their, but yeah, if you're offended by such things then life is going to be a harsh reality - because there's a lot worse out there.

As this thread is nearing its end, I would like to add the following,

I have not replied to the latest posts because I would have to continue repeating myself... but I have read all the posts.

First of all I am glad to see how big the thread has become and with the blue posts. It gives a signal that many do feel there is a structural problem and that it needs dealing with. That was also the point of the post.

The point of the post was to encourage others to [not ignore] anti-social behavior, and to make clear to those exhibiting this kind of behavior that it is not acceptable. Also would like to note that swearing itself is not by definition anti-social behavior.

Now, some have advised me to ignore such matters, to just do my "job", to accept that this is simple the way things are on the internet. And to them I say: no!

Some have also condemned my actions because I would be just as bad as the one exhibiting the anti-social behavior or that I would be punishing innocent people. This is simply ridiculous. There is no reason, no circumstance, ever... in which one can be required to take abuse on other to not inconvenience others. This idea is perverse.

PS: Really happy with the attention this thread received and also the (surprisingly... I know... preconceptions) high quality of the reactions. You guys have been very constructive and I am also glad that others in this game feel the same way.

The thread cap got increased so don't worry about that.

I Am grateful that you are underlining how important it is to, Not accept Anti social behavior during Dungeons or any other establishment!

I have thought a lot of the moral codes we are being confronted of as we go by our days in and outside of the game.

Ignoring is usefull in it´s way cause if you want to you can choose ignore people and that works well for that purpose.
On the other side of the coin you have the individuals who does not see Ignoring abuse as a direction to take, things become a bit more complicated cause most often a person who faces abuse rather then ignoring it wants to solve it and come out more experienced.

Good thread.

Thank you Wulfrich

16m people playing this game (if it hasn't become more already). Should Blizzard become judge and jury for the socialy and morally inept? It is their problem and they should solve it? Should we blame it on the internet where anarchy is quite comon?

16m people is a society alright, countrysize, eventhough a virtual one. Morale starts with one person who wants to be treated like he/she would treat others. So shoveling the problem onto someone elses lap is just a load of bull... pardon my dutch.

Wulfs' actions isn't wrong or right. Just a soul who is quite fed up and acts up on it. Big thumps up for that. I'd like to see more people like that in the world, yes even in our virtual corner.

Social behaviour within a society doesn't start with a game provider. It can help, set rules, try to uphold it... which in my eyes would be like mopping the floor with a running tap. It has always been and always will be an utopy that a (virtual) world can be free of rotten apples. Social behaviour/ morale conduct starts with you!

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Pstt ... 10 million nowadays :-)

[quote="31141914383"]Seriously guys? If you are so sensitive over getting called names through a screen then don't play MMOs or any online games. Grow a thicker skin and grow up! More censorship won't solve the problem and I'm willing to bet at least every player has been unreasonable from time to time or at least once, I know I have.

It is not about being sensitive or taking it personally. I am 28 years of age and i am mature enough to know these things without you writing them on the forums.

People when playing games online should be mature enough to be polite to other players, but since wow is full of under 15 year olds then thats the problem, cos i can assure you mature people dont insult each other behind a screen.

And to me, this will be the end of Wow... too many kids play it, and adult players have stopped or will stop playing Wow and that will be the end of this game.

17/12/2011 16:31Posted by Wulfrich

Some have also condemned my actions because I would be just as bad as the one exhibiting the anti-social behavior or that I would be punishing innocent people. This is simply ridiculous. There is no reason, no circumstance, ever... in which one can be required to take abuse on other to not inconvenience others. This idea is perverse.

The tools are there for you to use, if you choose to collectively punish then do not expect everyone to think you are making a wonderful stand. You could have left the group entirely and reported it, but you chose to in my opinion collectively punish them, which to me is unacceptable in any situation.

What the !@#$ is wrong with swearing?

/bent

If you have to ask then you are not mature enough to use the language. Knowing and using the words is not a sign of maturity, but knowing when not to use them is.

18/12/2011 08:24Posted by Skye

People when playing games online should be mature enough to be polite to other players, but since wow is full of under 15 year olds then thats the problem, cos i can assure you mature people dont insult each other behind a screen.

As I have said in other thread age does not equal maturity. It is assumption that the younger generation are worse than the older. I find in general the opposite is true through my own experiences and I can give examples. The average age of players is somewhere in the mid 20s.

Dermacrosis
72 Undead Warlock

As I have said in other thread age does not equal maturity. It is assumption that the younger generation are worse than the older. I find in general the opposite is true through my own experiences and I can give examples. The average age of players is somewhere in the mid 20s.

Well I had a month ago a Guild Leader who confessed to be 12. So yes u get players in their 20s or older but i see more kids nowadays ..

Aww, did someone hurt your feelings at the playground. There there, does it hurt somewhere? Oww, did they hurt your feelings? Now stop being naive and acting childish and grow up and ignore them. Words cant physically hurt you, or if they can, then your still vulnerable. Not any word in the world can hurt you, not single one. Words have no meaning at all what so ever, facts can be changed upside down and circled around. You could say clouds are made of cotton candy but they are not. Best thing to do is always provoke these stupid idiots that are like "omg wtf ur dps sucks u suck go learn your class noob" or something similiar that they say, sometimes its over the half of the enjoyement of the dungeon finder tool. Provokin people just becose of provokin can be so much fun.

19/12/2011 09:33Posted by Steadyshot

Aww, did someone hurt your feelings at the playground. There there, does it hurt somewhere? Oww, did they hurt your feelings? Now stop being naive and acting childish and grow up and ignore them. Words cant physically hurt you, or if they can, then your still vulnerable. Not any word in the world can hurt you, not single one. Words have no meaning at all what so ever, facts can be changed upside down and circled around. You could say clouds are made of cotton candy but they are not. Best thing to do is always provoke these stupid idiots that are like "omg wtf ur dps sucks u suck go learn your class noob" or something similiar that they say, sometimes its over the half of the enjoyement of the dungeon finder tool. Provokin people just becose of provokin can be so much fun.

Well... Mr. Steadyshot

First of all, i find it kinda funny how someone goes on the forum as a level 1,
and then giving the topic starter something negative. I mean, let's be honest here,
What you said, was'nt exactly friendly either.

2ndly: It's NOT childish. Some people attached norm and values to what people say.
There are things you can say and things you can't say. If you can't realize that, then you're the one being "childish" here. 'coz 9 times out of 10, a grown up knows it.

The best thing to do at the moment is in my eyes, just to leave it. Write down the names of those "kids", the dungeon and/or raid you were in with them. The time and then make it known to a Game Master by making a ticket or something. Remember it's only a game, so it's not worth getting angry over it.

Well... Mr. Steadyshot

First of all, i find it kinda funny how someone goes on the forum as a level 1,
and then giving the topic starter something negative. I mean, let's be honest here,
What you said, was'nt exactly friendly either.

2ndly: It's NOT childish. Some people attached norm and values to what people say.
There are things you can say and things you can't say. If you can't realize that, then you're the one being "childish" here. 'coz 9 times out of 10, a grown up knows it.

The best thing to do at the moment is in my eyes, just to leave it. Write down the names of those "kids", the dungeon and/or raid you were in with them. The time and then make it known to a Game Master by making a ticket or something. Remember it's only a game, so it's not worth getting angry over it.[/quote]

19/12/2011 10:29Posted by Sulin

Aww, did someone hurt your feelings at the playground. There there, does it hurt somewhere? Oww, did they hurt your feelings? Now stop being naive and acting childish and grow up and ignore them. Words cant physically hurt you, or if they can, then your still vulnerable. Not any word in the world can hurt you, not single one. Words have no meaning at all what so ever, facts can be changed upside down and circled around. You could say clouds are made of cotton candy but they are not. Best thing to do is always provoke these stupid idiots that are like "omg wtf ur dps sucks u suck go learn your class noob" or something similiar that they say, sometimes its over the half of the enjoyement of the dungeon finder tool. Provokin people just becose of provokin can be so much fun.

Well... Mr. Steadyshot

First of all, i find it kinda funny how someone goes on the forum as a level 1,
and then giving the topic starter something negative. I mean, let's be honest here,
What you said, was'nt exactly friendly either.

2ndly: It's NOT childish. Some people attached norm and values to what people say.
There are things you can say and things you can't say. If you can't realize that, then you're the one being "childish" here. 'coz 9 times out of 10, a grown up knows it.

The best thing to do at the moment is in my eyes, just to leave it. Write down the names of those "kids", the dungeon and/or raid you were in with them. The time and then make it known to a Game Master by making a ticket or something. Remember it's only a game, so it's not worth getting angry over it.

Pwned. :P

I haven't read everything, but only the first pages.

First I want to say I admire the OP.

If I would have been in his group, I would have sided with him. I would have argued that it would be unfair that the one being offended would have to leave but that the offender had a natural right to stay. Running away from problems without standing up doesn't teach anyone anything, except that being offensive is perfectly alright. I would have been sad to see the offended leave without giving the group a chance to get rid of the offender. That feels like self-punishment. I would rather punish the offender than punish myself.

I think it is perfectly alright to pose the dilemma to the group: side with him or side with me. Personally, if someone had called someone a "noob f a g" I would have said "say that one more time and I'll have you kicked or I leave." That's the only way people learn.

Ignoring people doesn't teach anyone anything. It keeps you "safe" but the offending behaviour goes on. Reporting people and having them be punished with a ban only teaches offenders to become afraid of punishment, it doesn't teach them anything else.

Really, the only effective lesson you can give to people is when peers administer it to themselves. That's why this sort of "standing up" is needed. Only then does it dawn on the offender that "hey, I did this to myself".

If the offender gets a ban then he feels "Someone did this to me. Now I hate this person. I will keep on behaving in this way because I have a moral right to do so, unless the bans become too frequent at which point I might start watching my tongue. You've taught me nothing except to despise the system and the ones reporting me. They are all f a g s."

Which is why I am not inclined to report people unless it is needed to remove them from trade chat. I do not believe punishment administered by some police force has any didactic value apart from causing the offender to become more shrewd.

Which is why I believe peer control is exactly what's needed. I applaud the OP.

The only thing I disagree with is teleporting out and letting the group wipe. You should just have called a timeout if possible and then pose your ultimatum to the group.

17/12/2011 00:44Posted by Leggett

TBH too many people on WOW mistake banter for antisocial behaviour.

Too many people mistake witty banter for "being a tool". Intent means jack if you're on the receiving end of someone's banter/abuse.

17/12/2011 09:00Posted by Andith

one way to sort this kindof problem out is for every player to have a rating. and basically abusive people get rubbish same rating grps where as nice players get good groups. gear or skill wouldnt come into effect on this.

I wouldn't mind that. It seems to work for Xbox live for example. I've got a decent rating except for when my ex went on there and acted "unsporting" in a Burnout Paradise game :|

17/12/2011 18:36Posted by Ignisis

16m people playing this game (if it hasn't become more already). Should Blizzard become judge and jury for the socialy and morally inept? It is their problem and they should solve it? Should we blame it on the internet where anarchy is quite comon?

No, but they could give us an ignore list more in line with the # of people we're being exposed to :P (I agree with your post btw)

I'm all for a rating system. It's worth the experiment. Give anyone leaving a dungeon group the opportunity to rate the group members and have it effect what groups your are paired with.

Or, allow every player to pick a template describing what kind of player they are.

"I don't mind if there's a bit of flaming in the group." (yes/no/either)
"A fast dungeon result is more important than having a nice group." (yes/no/either)
"I don't mind wipes if the group is supportive." (yes/no/either)
"We have to push everyone to do their very best." (yes/no/either)
"Failure is not an option." (yes/no/either)

Compile a player attitude based on these questions and pair players with other similar players.

19/12/2011 16:29Posted by Lestele

I'm all for a rating system.

No.

I'm not a verbal abuser and i'm not getting myself into arguments just for the sake of arguing but i will get rated down for having my own opinion cause the spineless fanboi playerbase just doesn't accept ppl with a mind of their own.

well im all for the rating system.. Im alwasy happy chatty and always willing to crack jokes with my team mates.. most react positivly to it
"I don't mind if there's a bit of flaming in the group." (no)
"A fast dungeon result is more important than having a nice group." (no)
"I don't mind wipes if the group is supportive." (yes)
"We have to push everyone to do their very best." (neither)
"Failure is not an option." (no)

19/12/2011 18:55Posted by Shioban

I'm all for a rating system.

No.

I'm not a verbal abuser and i'm not getting myself into arguments just for the sake of arguing but i will get rated down for having my own opinion cause the spineless fanboi playerbase just doesn't accept ppl with a mind of their own.

This.

A rating system will only be abused and will cause new problems.

Well, i am anti social IRL, and i sometimes can't distinguish what others might consider insult! Yeah i was at therapy so shut it. I'm trying my best to control myself and well not to let loose the insult cannon. I don't even intend to do harm and i don't even mean what other think i meant by saying that, ehm typing, i try to be silent most of the times, just to avoid talking and other ... stuff. But i like the game and play it nearly every day and i got banned yes. Racists jokes, insults and stuff like that. And yeah i had few ninja GM chat (they just pop without ticket saying: YOU DUN GOOFED! BANHAMMATIME!) So yeah, they tend to punish people and stuff, well i just hope my luck wont run out.
So every time that blízzardgm pm me with your account is under investigation i tend to jump a little, even irl.