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LFG was turning point for me, since it was introduced we are plagued by these people.

To be honest i would rather they removed it, even it if would be harder to get a group.

LFG was turning point for me, since it was introduced we are plagued by these people.

To be honest i would rather they removed it, even it if would be harder to get a group.

I honestly couldnt agree more since LFG came to wow the game has become very anti social in my opinion. when we did instances with people from our own realms people went out there way to be kind and sociable or you just never got invited to a group again

13/12/2011 13:23Posted by Héartstrike

I defend my right to free speech, what offends others does not offend me.

Even free speech in the real world has boundries. In the UK for example it is still a crime under public order laws to swear in public, though like in game it does require a complaint for anything to be done about it. Go into a crowded building like a cinema and shout fire and see what happens "freedom" of speech would not protect you.

In this game we do not have freedom of speech, we are bound by the contracts we agree to. Therefore it is a not even relevant.

13/12/2011 13:33Posted by Tolga

1, Put the language filter on if you're very easily offended

This is not an excuse to use foul language freely. It is there to catch the supposed "accidental" slip ups.

The "ignore" list is the tool in question. It is crippled by only having 50 slots. If anyone suggests an "addon" be pre-warned I'm going to slap you... like a blood elf... The addon does NOT interface with the LFD and will NOT (unless something fundamental has changed) prevent you from entering a dungeon with an "ignored" person.

Blizzard's native Ignore list can and does prevent re-grouping with ignored individuals and it is THIS functionality that is desired to be extended. If an antisocial individual chooses to act in the way they are then the consequences of such behaviour would be an ever reducing pool of players to group with you.

I agree.

It needs the number of slots increased and it should be across all characters on your battlenet account, so ignoring on one of your characters would put that character on ignore for all your characters.

The reason I don't think it should be across all characters on the ignored characters account is that you can catch innocent people in it. Don't forget that account sharing is allowed in one situation and that is of a legal guardian and their ward. It could be the minor is being a pillock so ignoring all on that account would punish the adult, or vice versa.

LFG was turning point for me, since it was introduced we are plagued by these people.

To be honest i would rather they removed it, even it if would be harder to get a group.

I honestly couldnt agree more since LFG came to wow the game has become very anti social in my opinion. when we did instances with people from our own realms people went out there way to be kind and sociable or you just never got invited to a group again

Correlation does not imply causation. The LFD system gives everyone a "convenient" method of obtaining groups. It's a fallacious argument to assume that LFD caused this anti-social behaviour.

I posit that this assumption is not true.

For example:

Antisocial moron does their thing prior to the LFD functionality and obtained a realm-wide reputation for being, well, a monumental idiot. The anti-social individuals' reputation precedes them for groups. People simply ignore anti-social individual for their groups. Anti-social individual is a sad panda when no one would group with him.

LFD comes along:

Anti-social moron gets group. Meets 4 people that he doesn't know, and doesn't care to know. Anti-social moron is anti-social. 4 people add him to ignore. After a few weeks and 50 more anti-social people later the indivduals get a message that they can't increase ignore list. Further anti-social individuals become a problem as people can't, now, ignore them.

Removing LFD is punishing people, like me, that can be civil and polite and would prefer just to get the mission done. I would NOT want to go back to taking hours in obtaining a group.

Now a liberal use of an unlimited ignore, or a functional (Do Not Group (DNR) functionality would act, Battlegroup wide, as a negative reputation would on realm wide.

What I mean about DNR is that it only functions as a Do not Group list rather than an "Ignore everything" list. So in essence DNR would not prevent you from seeing what the individual is saying but provides security in that you won't be seeing said person again.

It might give the extreme examples of community "punishment" a more civil route whereby the offended parties can just grit their teeth and get the mission done without having to lay down the smackdown to a group of random strangers.

Nobody wants to play with these moron's, with LFG we dont have much choice, however without LFG we can tell them where to go and find another person.

I'm sure many of you guys here had a few people you would roll with often in groups.

I remeber getting several whispers when i logged on prior to LFG, "hey wanna heal for us today" we ended up getting to know more and more people.

The only problem i can see with removing LFG is that low populated realms would suffer.

I think along with the report spam option there should be a report abuse option, simple solution. To discourge it further any bans or censure resulting could be marked on the players armoury pages.

I also think lfg has not helped the game, and yet another thing that discourages guild play. When wrath released my then guild had 2-3 guild teams running every evening, willingly re-running til everyone got the drops they wanted.

As to if it should be removed, or modified is tricky as it does allow greater access of content to a wider player base.

Recently I have been fortunate with my groups, with one exception, in fact most groups people have made an effort to be polite and taking time to clarify fights for those that are new.

You're assuming there were no consequences.... did you report these incidents? If you did, then it's highly likely we took action.

I can't impress this on everyone enough: Offensive behaviour needs to be reported in the first place for us to be able to act on it. Although you'll never be told of the exact action we take, rest assured

I got a simple ticket reporting some player for using homophobic slurs in a battleground (Alterac Valley) running for 3+ days without GM answers. So sorry, but I don't share your optimistic appraisal of the situation.

13/12/2011 14:03Posted by Takralus

You're assuming there were no consequences.... did you report these incidents? If you did, then it's highly likely we took action.

To be honest most people like to rush through instances and i think people just cant be bothered opening a ticket and spending the time to report these people.

Maybe a quick report tool can fix this: Click report, all the players in the group appear with a tick in the box option, click the player in question, a blizz UI can copy that persons full conversations within the instance and then submit. Then Blizzard can see what the person has been saying and take the appropriate action.

That would probably be enough to start hitting these people.

You're assuming there were no consequences.... did you report these incidents? If you did, then it's highly likely we took action.

To be honest most people like to rush through instances and i think people just cant be bothered opening a ticket and spending the time to report these people.

Maybe a quick report tool can fix this: Click report, all the players in the group appear with a tick in the box option, click the player in question, a blizz UI can copy that persons full conversations within the instance and then submit. Then Blizzard can see what the person has been saying and take the appropriate action.

That would probably be enough to start hitting these people.

would lead to even more abuse if it would only require to tick a box and select a reason or even without it.
and imagine how much data would be sent every day and how much data would have to be processed to legitimate every such "ticket"...

When you queue up for random dungeons you can pretty much expect to be put in a group with people like this. If you don't like it, why not queue up with people you know? Wasting the time and repair costs of your group by letting them wipe is no better than using "foul language".

13/12/2011 14:07Posted by Medhmaeb

I got a simple ticket reporting some player for using homophobic slurs in a battleground (Alterac Valley) running for 3+ days without GM answers. So sorry, but I don't share your optimistic appraisal of the situation.

Well you will for a period after patches as people tend to open tickets for things if they had bothered to come to the forums and read the known issues thread they would not have opened a ticket for.

I have reported players and yes there has been a long wait for the ticket to reach the front of the queue, but I don't need a reply as I know they would investigate it. At other times it has been quick, but at the moment I expect it to be a long wait.

13/12/2011 14:07Posted by Holyreturn

To be honest most people like to rush through instances and i think people just cant be bothered opening a ticket and spending the time to report these people.

Then they only have themselves to blame. The tool is there use it if you can't be bothered to use it then you lose all credability complaining aboutit elsewhere. I think the same, and say so, when people where I live complaign about "anti-social" behaviour.

Maybe a quick report tool can fix this: Click report, all the players in the group appear with a tick in the box option, click the player in question, a blizz UI can copy that persons full conversations within the instance and then submit. Then Blizzard can see what the person has been saying and take the appropriate action.

I keep a pen and paper by my PC have done for years, if I think something is of a level to report, I write down the name, realm. When say the BG is over I then open a ticket and report it.

There is no need to copy and paste what they have said it is in the logs thatis why the time of theincident is needed to help them make a quick investigation.

You're assuming there were no consequences.... did you report these incidents? If you did, then it's highly likely we took action.

To be honest most people like to rush through instances and i think people just cant be bothered opening a ticket and spending the time to report these people.

Especially if it doesn't seem to have any effect. No matter how many tickets I open, I do not see a reduction in rude people. It's simply discouraging.

13/12/2011 14:14Posted by Devyniaragis

would lead to even more abuse if it would only require to tick a box and select a reason or even without it

How would it?

Here is an example:

Player "A" OMG WTF your a S%&T heal GTFO and DIE!!!!

Player "B" (ME) Clicks on the report button, selects player "A", clicks reason (Abusive), then clicks submit.

Once i have clicked "submit" player "A"'s conversation during the instance will be copied and sent to a GM, the GM will look over the persons conversation and decide if action needs to be taken.

Thats just 3 clicks which is far better that stopping what your doing for a few mins to be bothered reporting them.

Job Done.

I can't impress this on everyone enough: Offensive behaviour needs to be reported in the first place for us to be able to act on it. Although you'll never be told of the exact action we take, rest assured that we take a very dim view on players who seek to spoil the fun of others this way.

Yea, like when i report advertisers for malicious goldseller-websites VIA TICKET to gm's, get a reply "the account in regard will be dealt with according to the ToS", only to see the exact same advertiser advertising the day after, to which i make another ticket, to which again is replied "it will be dealt with and please dont make tickets about this, use the "report spammer" function instead".

To only find him advertising his same freaking website the day after.

So now i just "report spammer" and accept that blizzard can't even be bothered to act against goldseller-websites.

And you want us to believe you act against rude people? Are you joking here, Sir? Or do you expect anyone to take this seriously?

Just leaving doesn't change his behaviour at all. He will just go: "meh", and get a new healer in a minute, and he will have learned nothing.

IMO OP did the right thing, and seeing that 2 of the DPS chose to stay I would say they held no grudges

13/12/2011 14:14Posted by Aycia

When you queue up for random dungeons you pretty much choose to be put in a group with people like this. If you don't like it, why not queue up with people you know? Wasting the time and repair costs of your group by letting them wipe is no better than using "foul language".

It's kind of sad that you have simply come to accept that this kind of behaviour is acceptable because it's random people