10man - Two man healing era?

19 Goblin Rogue
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Hi!

So, due to recent changes to our raidgroup and guild itself, we've been strugging with healers for our Dragon Soul raids.

So we decided that we were going to two heal as far as we get, until we can recruit a new one (Oh yes, we've got the third healer sorted now for heroic modes later on).

Raid setup:
Prot Paladin
Feral Bear

Holy Paladin
Disc Priest (Holy Ultraxion)

Arcane Mage
Frost DK
MM Hunter
Demo Lock
Fury Warrior
Shadowpriest/Boomkin

We did having our troubles, especially on the pingpong boss and the lootship, but it was getting easier every attempt, and we knew more and more what was needed to be done in terms of healing. Obviously we have had some bad RNG on us, but almost none of the wipes in total has been due to healers faults!

So far, we've two healed 6/8 bosses, and now we're quite used to two healing it, and with better gear this week it'll just get easier onwards until we reach heroic modes.

Luckily the day before we went for Spine of Deathwing, our previously raiding resto shaman showed up and we asked if he could help us on this fight, and we made it after a couple of attempts. Haven't had that many attempts on deathwing, it was late when we were there.

TL:DR - Only need two healers for 6/8, 3 healers for Deathwing (Both)
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85 Blood Elf Paladin
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The whole of normal can be 2-man healed, fyi. The only one which can be a hassle is Spine of Deathwing, because it starts to get mana intensive around the time the second plate's being/been ripped off.

Just keep at it with your two healers. As you said, wipes are mainly due to healer faults- the more they 2-man heal, the better they'll get at it.
Edited by Renae on 15/12/2011 11:17 GMT
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19 Goblin Rogue
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I was saying that it was not the healers fault which caused the wipes we've had :)
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85 Blood Elf Paladin
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Oh, sorry! I misread, haven't been sleeping well lately. :x

Anyway, my point still stands.
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90 Human Paladin
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All of normal can be healed by two healers - my guild cleared it in the first week of release with just myself (Holydin) and a Disc Priest healing - similar to how most of Firelands 10 HC can be healed with 2 healers. It just requires planning and good use of mana regen cooldowns.
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85 Troll Shaman
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We cleared normal mode with two healers. A lot of fights are actually easier with two than with three, thanks to the higher DPS (Ultraxion, most notably).

I don't think there are any heroic modes that can't be two-healed either. Everything in T12H was perfectly two-healable.
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85 Blood Elf Paladin
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We cleared normal mode with two healers. A lot of fights are actually easier with two than with three, thanks to the higher DPS (Ultraxion, most notably).

I don't think there are any heroic modes that can't be two-healed either. Everything in T12H was perfectly two-healable.


At this point in time, I'd imagine Yor'sahj (HC) can't be 2-man healed. I may be wrong, though.
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85 Troll Shaman
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15/12/2011 11:39Posted by Renae
At this point in time, I'd imagine Yor'sahj (HC) can't be 2-man healed. I may be wrong, though.

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-h5kglt6r2otgq95e/sum/healingDone/?s=13150&e=13725

So it's perfectly doable. Note that the first 18 wipes are with three healers. After switching to two, he's dead in three attempts. So it's not only possible, but potentially easier depending on your DPS.
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85 Draenei Shaman
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15/12/2011 10:12Posted by Renae
wipes are mainly due to healer faults

What?...
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90 Tauren Druid
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15/12/2011 12:20Posted by Shàmbulance
wipes are mainly due to healer faults

What?...


He was misquoting the OP and if you read two posts down you'd see he acknowledged that.
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90 Pandaren Shaman
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15/12/2011 12:29Posted by Calar

What?...


He was misquoting the OP and if you read two posts down you'd see he acknowledged that.


and if you read thoroughly you can see he said " Anyway, my point still stands."

So he basicaly states that wiping = healers fault.

Which mostly is not true in my experience. First attempts everyone takes avoidable damage which results in Ooming / not enough healing power. When going further in content damage drops and healing gets handable.

OT:
OP It seems that 2 healing is very possible yeah. We 2 heal ultraxxion haggara Lootship and morchok.
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90 Tauren Druid
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Erm, I don't know if this is just me having too much faith in manking, but I think the "point" he was referring to was the "point" he associated with his "quote".

ie, the quote (misquoted of course) was "wipes are the healers fault" (in the OP's scenario) and the point was "the more they 2-man heal, the better they'll get at it."

Why does everyone seek to see fault and argument in everyone's statements? Besides, the guy IS a healer, would be obscure of him to try to blame ALL wipes on healers.
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19 Goblin Rogue
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I always blame the masterlooter, because he's not handing out epics properly when the boss is not dying! So deffo his fault!

OT: We did a 3man setup yesterday with our new resto, and I was like, never EVER oom, just didn't need to heal at all in comparison to two healing - btw I'm the holydin within the setup

Was abit boring to three heal, so I swapped to Ret so the druid could get the exp from healing as he has recently returned to the game :)
Edited by Protwarrior on 15/12/2011 13:40 GMT
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85 Blood Elf Priest
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15/12/2011 11:25Posted by Sanzul
don't think there are any heroic modes that can't be two-healed either. Everything in T12H was perfectly two-healable.


warlord zonblabala isn't 2 man healable or we are doing something very wrong but i doubt that. it might change if people get tier sets better weapons and a overal higher ilvl.

the unsleeping dude is a 2man healer fight 3man will result in a enrage timer unless you have overgeared dps or maybe a class stacking setup.

and for hagara, only had like 30 minutes of progress on her, i would say 3 are needed aswell. i might be wrong we don't have a real tactic for it atm :-)
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85 Goblin Priest
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Morchok can be killed with 2, Yosahj can be killed with 2, Hagara can be killed on 2(depends on tac & raidcomp, but I see it as 100 % doable), Ultraxion can be killed with 2 for sure, Blackhorn is prob best off with 2.

Yeah, I'd say you would want 2 main healers and 1 dps with healing OS for warlodz & spine/madness.
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85 Blood Elf Priest
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Yeah, I'd say you would want 2 main healers and 1 dps with healing OS for warlodz & spine/madness.


is there anyone at madness allready?
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85 Goblin Priest
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Yeah, I'd say you would want 2 main healers and 1 dps with healing OS for warlodz & spine/madness.


is there anyone at madness allready?


Nope, but I feel it can be hard to 2man heal (; At least progressing as 2man healing.
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85 Blood Elf Priest
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15/12/2011 16:36Posted by Obliqq
Nope, but I feel it can be hard to 2man heal (; At least progressing as 2man healing.


it seems like such a fight idd, but at the start of fl ragnaros was mostly 3man healed on normal and for hc you used 2 :-)

madness is a 2m healer fight on normal so it might stay like that.
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85 Blood Elf Paladin
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He was misquoting the OP and if you read two posts down you'd see he acknowledged that.


and if you read thoroughly you can see he said " Anyway, my point still stands."

So he basicaly states that wiping = healers fault.

Which mostly is not true in my experience. First attempts everyone takes avoidable damage which results in Ooming / not enough healing power. When going further in content damage drops and healing gets handable.

OT:
OP It seems that 2 healing is very possible yeah. We 2 heal ultraxxion haggara Lootship and morchok.


By my point still standing, I mean that they'll get better as they 2-man heal, and learn to conserve their mana better even in "oh !@#$" moments, and when to use CDs at the exact right time, instead of winging it at times.
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