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PALA Ultraxion HC NONSENCE
Hirr You act like I have never seen a WoL report before ... in FL that spell was a joke but before I say anything further about how ridiculous its looks that the ones who were on the defensive one patch ago are now on the attack let me just say that I wont add anything about WG any more since you`ve had practice with QQ how not OP it was and I will just look like a pala against an army "I am a raid healer but I want the tanks healer spot so nerf them" healers. This makes no sense at all. >>> refer to the clown part for you <<< Do you add anything to this post but insults? My entire point of even posting on this thread was to just notify you that even if your posts end in a pala nerf bec a pala is a favored healer over your class due to holy radiance then I am just saying that once that nerf goes thru we`ll still take your spot bec after we are tank healers and your not , we provide buffs and mitigation spells you cud never match ... We are as a class more effective healers in anyway you look at the situation and will therefore always take your spot so dont come with this nonsense about how we prefered healers bec of our holy radiance! PS. I know some ... "Omg your in such a easy class so shut up" comment is gonna come up so remember no where did I argue palas werent an easy class PSS i am not a 12 year old. I am 19! |
You are the one making yourself ridiculous by not only referring to WG last patch, but also adding how spammy it was. When it wasnt. My reply was not insulting, but brought up by your own incompetence.
Again, you comparing Paladins to Druids last patch shows your knowledge on healing then and now. Ofcourse we all defended ourselves and tried desperatly NOT to end up in the sucky position we are in right now, purely because hundreds of the kind of you see meters and say NERF. While we were not ahead in all 3 departments, just 1 and still with the least utility. And if Holy radiance adds absolutely nothing to your succes this expansion then im sure you wont mind a 20% nerf and an 8% sec cd. And then hey, its still better then WG in DS. |
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PSS i am not a 12 year old. I am 19! I'm 29 and a half. We can share a cake! You act like I have never seen a WoL report before No. I think you're behaving like an idiot, and thus I go down to your level. There are at the moment 44 pages of threads in this forum. Many of them are relevant to the balance issues from the start of Cata until now. Go read. Educate yourself. Since you are 19, I presume you can read and deduct logically what stance many of the different healers here have, including me. |
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Edited by Elldiablo on 14/01/12 17:36 (GMT)
I shouldnt even reply to you bec you obviously didnt read what I wrote .. your first quote was like : " I didnt insult you , you useless dumb healer". Your next quote was followed by reasoning that wasnt related to the quote in anyway and added nothing to this argument besides proving how good you are at defending WG.
Isnt this whole argument based on recount and numbers ... if it aint then plz tell me why we should nerf holy radiance?
Aww you poor druids ... why dont you play like everyone else and just reroll , when things got bad for my priest I went shammy , when that got bad I went pala ... instead of trying to nerf the entire game around me to match my play style. |
Gives other healers more time to drink their coffee, nothing to see on move along :) +1, however if a nerf does come (already has on the set bonus) please learn for t13 druids blizz, either nerf the offenders or buff the others, just not both at the same time D: |
This whole post makes no sense, quotes in the wrong place, replies written in quotes. I have no energy to look what you actually said. |
You call me an idiot ,yet your going 'down' to my level... okay then if I go up to your level my next post wud look like : "you dumb stupid idiot druid stop talking in this damn thread you retarded sun of a , WTF just shut up and accept that your bad!!!". Reality is wonderful when viewed upside down , right? |
The post makes no sense ,uhm , but you havent read it yet cuz you havent got the energy? did I get that right? |
No you did not, but expected, regarding your earlier ability to read. |
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Edited by Nuvielle on 14/01/12 19:10 (GMT)
No. I think you're behaving like an idiot, and thus I go down to your level. I didn't call you an idiot. Read it again. I said I thought you behaved like one, leading me to /eyeroll in my post, leading you to suggest I thought you hadn't seen a WoL report before. Basing your opinions now on old content prenerf logs without having the knowledge of others opinions and without bothering to check the actual reality of how healing mechanisms work is strengthening my opinion of your behavior. Your other posts here supports that it's not just behaviour though. Go "up" to my level when you spell would correctly, would you?
No, it's not just numbers and it's not because of high hps only. Paladins have abilities other healers don't have, which before a nerf puts them miles ahead other healers on a 3-button rotation. That is why it has received nerfs and why it should be changed. You even say it yourself: I am just saying that once that nerf goes thru we`ll still take your spot bec after we are tank healers and your not , we provide buffs and mitigation spells you cud never match Now, this is why we can't have 18+ as an absolute rule! |
Keep buffing dps / healers / tanks because nerfs don't help, and you'll reach the point where the only way to keep the content challenging, is to include mechanics that deal 99% damage to a tank after mitigation and void zone mechanincs that instantly kill if the player isn't moving out of them before they spawn. Yes, nerfs don't help the team. They help the game. |
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Edited by Ailawiu on 15/01/12 12:52 (GMT)
Too bad only tiny minority realize that. At best, it's "nerf X, but buff everyone else, or at very least buff ME!". It's what started raid cooldowns arms race , now we have aoe healing 'race', which was answered by absurd aoe damage, so it's "balanced". We also had mana regen buffs back in 4.0, which resulted in re-nerfing it in next patch, and Pallies still getting nerfs. One would think some people would understand how it works by now. But nope, "buff me!". Alternating with "don't nerf X, ask for buffs instead!" and "why do you care that X is vastly superior, as long as boss dies it's all fine! Now go sit on the bench, I need some place warm to sit after raid is over". |
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Listen to the draenei and night elf above me they tell the truth!
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As the shammy and priest above noted, buffing all other healers to the level of paladins would render the content laughably easy. In contrast nerfing paladins down to the same level as druids (who are, i'm fairly confident to say, the weakest 25 man healers) would result in content becoming much harder. So while a WG nerf would have been better coming in the middle of last patch so blizzard had time to evaluate it instead it come alongside huge buffs to all the other classes. Healing balance is much harder to do than dps balance in general. Therefore we probably won't any major changes to any of the healing classes until 4.4 whenever that is.
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ye coz there is alot of difference between PoH spam and HR spam; we scale great on this fight ye , get over it oh and btw its not 70k hps its more lik 170k hps with blue crystal,
;) 70k is what a proper disc would be doing with red, iff ur not gl with that last 10% |
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HR - does heal to all targets around 10 of your target 25ppl*6K=150K for 8.5K mana without counting hot or mastery.
PoH- 5 ppl*8K=40000K for 5300-5500mana, + 40000*20/100(glyph)=8000K =>48K for 5500 mana without mastery. Not to mention the time you need 9% more haste than holy and non BT poh. Just to make this clear- idk if your hot can stuck but my Glyph doesn't stack so casting PoH twice in roll is not good for me (holy has no alternative source), so blue is not a prochoise for holy. For disc maybe, but for HR it's #1. And there are still stupid palas stealing my green buff in lfd :D And at last - why is hpaladin only selfish heal spec that doesn't give mana reg to other but himslef/herself? |
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Druids fall under that category as well,not voluntarily though. In patch 4.2 we had innervate nerfed to give only 5% of the target's max mana when cast on others. Nowadays it's not worth casting it to anyone else other than yourself. With the old one+glyph we'd gladly give it to someone else though. |
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We have Rev though.
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