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My logic fails because your not strong enough to band together the scraps of a community you have left? if there is only 10 people or 40 people online at once, thats still enough to raid.
Oh and btw, your logic fails on the fact that i apparently spend alot of time on wow.....do you realize how quick i can level from 55 - 85 5 times? Is it possible that i've had this account for over 2 years? And of course before there are any come backs 55 - 80 in Wotlk.
I'd be ashamed of myself if i did subscribe to a game this long and not try to experience the full gaming world given to me. This is a world, where many people come to play from many different areas, to limit myself to one realm is idiocy. Because well, then i'd end up like you wouldn't i?
Fact still remains, you want something done, either do it yourself and get the community grouped up and fighting for your realm instead of fighting to get out of it.
You know what people want these days? Loot and an escape from the drama, people want a good social community where they feel welcome. I know exactly what its like to go to a realm with thousands and just think "where's the community? Where's the sense that you can do something and socialize with other players?".
If i wanted a RPG set in a world, i can go and do that, but this is a multiplayer.
So offer the people that, invite people from here if need be, to come to your realm, level up on alliance, join u in pvp or raids and have a good time, we'll help u to level your professions, we have pretty low costs on AH, we have the knowledge and experience to help you enjoy the game.
Thats what people want to hear, thats what makes a good realm and thats what you lack. All i've heard is a bunch of QQ. 25% activity on alliance was it?
Again check silvermoon and stormscale.

When I posted previously I got a nice invite to the realm with some offers as answer.
I'm not sure if you havn't read the thread carefully enough, but I'm entirely sure that I was not the only one having a heartly invitation.

Would you clarify why you're in need of stomping some abandoned players who's merily in need of their employers taking action?

- I do believe they know what's going on on their realm and not just making up a prank or "qq'ing" as you stated.

Honourstly not everyone is havint time to lvl 5 chars on 5 different realms or whatever you've accomplished, aswell as not having time to create the realm and improve the population by themself. After all it's part of the service blizzard should perform.

I myself is having 2 lvl 85 chars on one realm for over 4 years, and dislike someone calling it "idiocy" as you can be just as satisfied with 1-3 chars as 10-15 it's all up to personal preferences.

Please watch you words, you're actually putting statements as if they were more a general agreement than your own personal experiences or prefereneces.

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I'll be checking out Al'Alkir tomorrow evening, hopefully the name "Brainwaster" is not occupied :)

I cant raid no point in trying to find active people. I only got my irl friends to play arena with, Really hard to find 2 more good partners in 5v5. I can totally forget about playing RBG impossible to get a good group. AH is dead its empty and the things that are there is sooo expensive and selling is stuff is way to hard. I pay to play an MMO and there is nothing massive about Trollbane-EU Horde, Merge servers or give free faction change alliance is not dead atleast or free migrate away from the server and close it, Its not that hard doesnt matter what blizz says if i can migrate or faction change by paying i should be able to do it free aswell.

To Sefiros:

Brainwaster answered pretty much your post.

As I wrote in my post above you are missing the point. It sadden me to see customers activing against other customers and bashing a legitim request.

There are some things that are useful in your post, i.e. the suggestions how to attract more players to our side, but as it was remarked many times it is not enough. We already tried and still keep trying this approach.
But we found ourself at the point we cannot fix this issue alone.

Hence we ask help to the Blizzard team in charge of helping us.

As I stated we do not expected to find the perfect solution immediatly.. but we feel like no actions are taken at all to take into account this problem.



Don't deny that the problem exists. You clearly state of its existence in your post about different servers.

07/01/2012 00:59Posted by Sefiros

Again check silvermoon and stormscale.

I will repeat here once again since you do not care to read the posts.

Due to the various feedback carried by other players we decided to move this protest not only for Al'Akir alliance side, but for all those servers that have such a problem.

We are proposing here to have a brainstorming with Blizzard employers, checking proposals, discarding or attempting them. Any player that can bring constructive feedback is welcome.

We won't give up here. And we believe to want to represent more than only the Alliance side of Al'Akir.

Edit: I forgot to thank Brainwaster for the nice post.

Edit: I added a statement I forgot before.

Well, I too am just a stranger from a distant realm who's been reading through this thread but I would like to share my opinion on the matter.

First of all, I think we should take a moment to consider that unless anyone here is a Blizzard employee speaking from the inside, we have no way of knowing what they are doing behind them shiny Blizzard doors. We can make assumptions about their activity all we want, but there is no way of knowing for sure what is going on. For all we know they could be having regular boardroom meetings about this issue and be actively trying to put together a solution, they COULD be.
However, on that same token Blizzard themselves must also realise that unless they can communicate with their customers and provide informative and constructive feedback (even negative) on suggestions given, then our assumtions are all we have to go on. I am firmly in the belief that communication is essential with matters like this, and Blizzard's continual silence is causing more harm than good. People are getting frustrated, not just because of the issue at hand, but because they feel they are not being heard. Any form of communication that goes beyond a simple "we are working on it, trust us" would make a world of difference, I think. A miracle solution may not be possible, and I do not doubt that whatever is attempted to fix this problem will take a lot of work and a lot of time, but the players of Al'Akir and indeed every other realm that suffers with this same issue need assurance that their concerns and their suggestions are being took on board.

I think that's pretty much all I have to say.

10-40 does not make a gaming economy or a "world of warcraft".
It makes a private AH where only the same people are playing and a world where you will run into more npc's than players.

And once the day come that your into more NPC's than players, you know something is horribly wrong.

Every single word is true. There is a small group of players that provide the AH with the basic items like gems, bags etc. BoE epics aren't much around with 2 á 3 DS runs a week.
10-40 players, which obviously contains alot of DK's, Rogues and Ferals like any other realm.
You can't create a decent raidgroup with no healers or tanks.

Create a tank/healing alt you say?
Since there are about 25-30 characters (including alts) on Alliance Al'akir that actually have any 10-man DS gear who obviously are in a raiding guild which obviously isn't gonna pug people without the gear requirement.
Not even mentioning that the guilds have there own 10 players to fill the raid groups, so the chance that you're actually able to get into a guild run is rather slim.

Pugging isn't happening on Al'Akir Alliance since there are just not enough pve geared characters around. I bet there are realms around that only have one raiding guild or even non. Factions that haven't killed Deathwing at all.

If those people would just pack there things and leave as suggested there wouldn't be any horde or alliance players left on a lot of realms. Merging realms for instance will create more oppertunity to create raids and other events.
For the players that only pvp and are about to post PvE sucks I just wanna kill Horde/Alliance.
Well the other faction will still be around wont they?

For example: Al'Akir, loads of hordes. I bet there aren't alot of horde that see Alliance players frequently. Once a week? Once every two weeks?
For us alliance on the other hand, we can just take a random portal to any of the catalism area's and you'll find enough horde for your slaughtering needs.
Adding more alliance to our realm will only make it a true PvP realm once more.

Some Horde have been posting stuff like,

04/01/2012 17:33Posted by Tonuc

Not me, no. I like this server Alliance free.

A PvE hero, full DS gear and 10 hk's ...
Either he's utterly bad at PvP or he's on the wrong type of server.
Yes he might have an PvP alt but 10 hk's?
Al'Akir is supposed to be an PvP realm. World PvP?!

07/01/2012 13:14Posted by Espra

For all we know they could be having regular boardroom meetings about this issue and be actively trying to put together a solution, they COULD be

Nice post sir :]
As they claim they might be trying to put together a solution but as I posted multiple times they aren't sharing any of it. Always the same answers never sharing any progress.
Even if you ask them for a reply they don't bother to answer at all.

The second blue post:

03/01/2012 13:46Posted by Vaneras

No one from blizzard reads those posts

This is wrong.

We do read those posts, as well as many other posts. Just because you may not see a blue post does not mean that we have not read it.

Why don't they answer the questions I wonder.
Is it because we are angry? Is it something we said?
I know we haven't been the nicest of all people in this thread but heck we are still the paying customers and I for one demand an answer that doesn't contain: "We are aware of the problem, we are looking into it, its not as easy as you might think".

May start out by telling that I used to play ally side on Silvermoon. We as alliance used to beg on the forums along side the few actual hordes we had. At some point there was a free transfe, only problem was that it was from silvermoon to several other servers and for alliance only. Not really something that attracts horde players huh?

Someone asked why blizzard wont reply on all of these requests. Well i guess the answer is rather easy. if they had to reply on all these requests they wouldnt be able to reply to other posts, or they would have to take some technical staff and let them do some forum spamming. Meaning less time to solve the actual problem.

And before someone asks, why I didnt make my hordes on Silvermoon, rather simple i switched server to play with some friends, and later I decided to swap side as well

07/01/2012 19:59Posted by Enterdeath

Well i guess the answer is rather easy. if they had to reply on all these requests they wouldnt be able to reply to other posts, or they would have to take some technical staff and let them do some forum spamming. Meaning less time to solve the actual problem.

This problems has been around for several years now so that would make your excuse rather bad I suppose.

And so has the problem with Silvermoon, infact its been much longer than just several years. Silvermoon is legendary for it's alliance - horde ratio.
Basically anyone who comes to horde on silvermoon, is looking for massive world pvp where the odds are stacked horribly against them. And good on them.
What you have is the same problem on a lesser scale. Again Activity meters you said 25% for alliance on al akir.
Horde activity on silvermoon, i'd still say its 5% if not less. STILL hordies play it.
Basically, you have the power to create a new character on a new realm, if this problem is several years old, that means u didn't raid much, you haven't earned that much gold and though your professions and achvs maybe high (in a questing, exploration, event way) Those things can be regained on a new character on a new realm.
You all just want a simple solution where you keep your characters, you don't pay and you don't put in effort. That is what annoys me about this QQ.
I'd understand if you were realm firsting, hundreds of thousands of gold and achievement points above 9000.
But all you've given me is a bunch of complaints about a realm faction activity that isn't even that bad.
You want a solution for your AH? It was implemented a long time ago, it's called Booty Bay.
You want a solution for your tank/healer problem? Maybe make a tank or healer, when i get told "i only have 2 characters after 4 years" it makes me very sad that someone didn't take full advantage of the game. Someone worked it out as £130 or was that euros....a year? so 500 *currency here* later and you only have 2 characters on a dieing realm thats been dieing for a long time? And you want BLIZZARD to fix this? REALLY?

Hi guys!

08/01/2012 00:01Posted by Sefiros

Those things can be regained on a new character on a new realm.

How long, do you think, it will take to gear a char and get at least 90% of same achievements if you have wife, children and 3 hours on WoW per week (not my case, but I know people who spend more time on their wife and children than on WoW). I would be too bored to grind again when I can spend that time on BF3 or other new games. Why players must be forced to pay or loose their chars and play similar content twice? There are different players and we must understand them too. Realms belong to Blizzard and if they have problems (like unhealthy Alliance/Horde ratio) then its Blizzard's fault and they are responsible for fixing it. Individual customer must not be forced to fix and pay for the problem. Its not his fault that realm became empty. From my point of view, its immoral and destroys relationships with loyal customers.

To Sefiros:

Now I start understand. You see our request like a QQ, because you can't look further on what is posted here, but mostly because you feel that since there is some other realm that might be worse than our we should just shut up and not try anything.

This annoy you.. you think that you had the only rights, basically you says that since they haven't solved the problem for you before the others should not ask or do anythign for that... certainly is a very intelligent and smart answer the one you are giving.

However you are forgetting two important things. Times are changing and we are now starting having an idea for the first time of a systematic decrease of wow subscription with time. If this keep going there will be more nad more dead servers with time. Starting thinking possible approaches to this problem would be great. Second you missed totally what I worte once again

We are raising this issue and starting this protest also for all the others realm in the same situation of us. We just dont want only a solution for us, but that Blizzard start saying and doing something to solve this issue.

Is that hard for you to understand?

Moreover you stated a 25% activity on alliance. Everyone in this tread told you that none knows the real numbers. But you can have an idea by logging into the server and checking around horde or alliance. You will have an idea of the unbalancing ratio. And yes we have about 5% too and we still play it too.

Your claims about the raids/achievements/golds and whatever are totally illogic if not non sense to the eyes of a person that have not that much time and mostly do not want to lose all the time already invested in their toons. If there are players that improved their toons along several years and they want to keep them why they should be forbidden? Moreover the fact you put so much releavance on the achievements over 9000 or realm first clearly express what are the values you think are worthy. Well those are just releavant to a young immature person.

You claim we don't put efforts in what we do. You have no right to say that and judge us since you don't know how much work anyone on Al'Akir is doing to keep the atmosphere reasonable,.. but still it's not enough.. we can't solve the problem alone if not paying money.
I do not think it is reasonable to ask that to customers to be able to enjoy what they payed for several years so far.

We do not think that the solution is simple, but we ask Blizzard to at least propose something or discuss with people and not just ignore them. If they want to continue to ignore the problem tehy should face a bad advertising. And such bad advertising and reputation should spread more. I don't think Blizzard wants that since they are a serious business company.

Just to show even more the fact you are missing many points, she claimed to have only two level 85.. that does not mean she could have more characters and also enjoyed the game in its varius aspects.

Do you realize that there are some problems and it is necessary some external intervention to fix those? Is it that bad at your eyes that we start a global topic here to ask loudly for everyone taht the employers of the Blizzard think some solutions (or at least give more concrete answers) to make the playing experience better?
Do you know that as a customer you have some rights and company giving a bad supports should have a very bad advertising for their future products?

08/01/2012 02:14Posted by Eretikas

From my point of view, its immoral and destroys relationships with loyal customers.

I totally agree with this statement. A good company, like it is the Blizzard so far, keep high the satisfaction of the client. Not answering at all to a legitim issue raised by customers do not play in favour of the company for this and future product.

07/01/2012 19:59Posted by Enterdeath

Someone asked why blizzard wont reply on all of these requests. Well i guess the answer is rather easy. if they had to reply on all these requests they wouldnt be able to reply to other posts, or they would have to take some technical staff and let them do some forum spamming. Meaning less time to solve the actual problem.

They can make a general post where a discussion with the players is carried on. We were trying to do this in this post presenting not only our case, but also the one of other servers (still the invite is open to everyone to share their experience).
We suggested a brainstorming with Blizzard team in charge of taking into account customers satisfaction. This has not to be done by force on this forum post... but they can start a global one where they are ready to discuss with customers.

And your claim they should move some technical staff is not really that a big issue. They should not do answer full time, but present ideas and show they are caring of the problem.
We are aware that the solution is not simple and immediate, but show you are doing something. But show that to us!

But all you've given me is a bunch of complaints about a realm faction activity that isn't even that bad.
You want a solution for your AH? It was implemented a long time ago, it's called Booty Bay.

Its not called Booty Bay smarty pants, its called neutral AH. Found in various goblin towns.
We use that to get the things that we cant get on alliance side.
As we already stated a number of times we know just about everyone in our faction and thus know there professions. We just simple /w them or send them a wishlist by mail.

08/01/2012 00:01Posted by Sefiros

You want a solution for your tank/healer problem? Maybe make a tank or healer

My PvE toon is a tank and healer, both specs geared for DS...
Here is a solution for u, stop posting.
Alot of people just dont like healing, or tanking for that matter. While other like myself enjoy it. You can't just make people play specific roles, they have the right to enjoy the game aswell. Just because I enjoy healing raids doesn't mean others have to.

08/01/2012 00:01Posted by Sefiros

when i get told "i only have 2 characters after 4 years" it makes me very sad that someone didn't take full advantage of the game.

I cant recall I read something about that. I did mention that I play 2 characters. Which doesn't mean I dont have any other alts. I played all classes in this game and I sticked the the ones I liked most.
Creating 5 druids on various realms wont make me happy. One is enough for me.
I don't have the time to raid on all of them anyway so why would I need 5 characters? Expecially the same classes thats just daft.

08/01/2012 00:01Posted by Sefiros

And so has the problem with Silvermoon, infact its been much longer than just several years. Silvermoon is legendary for it's alliance - horde ratio.

As mentioned a few hundered times we aren't only doing this for Al'Akir. We are doing this for all the realm with these problems.
Silvermoon has 5% horde you say? According to some info found on the internet Silvermoon has 31k characters on it. about 6 times more then there are on Al'Akir. Does this make Silvermoon better? Are you superior to us because you have more characters on you realm?

Last time I checked you dont need 30k characters to get the full gaming experience.
Your precious realm which contains about 1.6k horde characters is just another realm in need of help from blizzard. But then again heck 1.6k horde characters. Then you can raid. You can even pug.
Most players in my current 'non-raiding' guild want to raid DS but there just aren't enough max level and geared players interested to start a group. My PvE toon on the other hand is raiding in DS, even killed Deathwing. This doesn't make me better then others on my server. I'm just lucky enough to be a part of a group in a raiding guild.
We are trying everything we can to gather enough people to get more raids going but its just hard since most players only come to Al'Akir alliance to pvp and some just don't like PvE. We cant make people play tanks and healers. We cant make people like PvE. We cant make them join our raids and we certainly cant make them log on when we wanna do a raid or something.

So Sefiros, please stop making this thread all about you, your five DK's and Silvermoon.
We are doing this for all the realms, all realms with the same problems.
Read Syls's post for a change, every post contains the faqt that we aren't doing this just for Al'Akir. We simply use Al'Akir as our point of view since we play on that realm, where our in-game friends are. For some of us thats more important then achievement points.
Just because we dont create 50 characters doesn't mean we can't have more balanced realms to play on without having to buy transfers to different servers

Safiros, stop posting on this thread unless you're having anything than non-sensens to add the thread.

Really, it's hurting my eyes, and are not constructive towards the real issure of the thread than a direct bashing.

You're welcome to ask for a detailed clarification of my opinion towards your previous posts.
However I will not be posting them automaticly as they're not having any impact on the meaning of this thread.

lol dude i want to transfer more then you do...Magtheridon has been empty for quite a while and now its filled with idiots and elitests...no raiding guilds either lol...if only Blizzard open up the free transfer again :c but ofcourse different servers :D please Blizzard if you are reading this, open up the free transfers like god knows how long ago, id like to go to a new server since Magtheridon is dead

Hi guys,

Please refrain from creating multiple threads on the same topic. I will lock the other two and let this one continue.

Please know that we are aware of the situation in regards to population and faction balance issues on some realms, however it is not one that can easily be resolved. I'm afraid we do not have much more we can say in regards to this topic at this point in time, but I can assure you that we are monitoring the situation and we are looking into possible ways that may hopefully improve the situation in the future.

03/01/2012 13:46Posted by Vaneras

No one from blizzard reads those posts

This is wrong.

We do read those posts, as well as many other posts. Just because you may not see a blue post does not mean that we have not read it.

Dear Vaneras,

I do believe you read those posts, expecially since it is part of your job to do so.
However, what you should report to people in charge to think and solve those problems is that we ask them to do not use us customers as a passive source from where have feedbacks, but come here and discuss with us on possible approaches.
It happened in the pasts on different topic that Blizzards employers activelly answered the questions of the customers and interacted with them, so it would be not something impossible to do.

I am awared that such decisions should be taken at an higher level than you and mostly will take some times, but I want to stress that we won't give up from this protest and we will grab the attentions of as many customers as possibile in our same situation.

To our eyes any lack of answer of this topic will be taken as a no and this will unfortunately empty your words. I still want to trust your words to not be just a polite answer to calm down the waters.

Please reports to the people in charge to look into possible ways that may hopefully improve the situation in the future that after all this time they should give us some active and direct sign that the problem is really under investigation.

I want to quote some of previous posts that have a very importance for the readers that do not want to dig out all the 29 pages of the forums.

And this is the exact reason why nothing ever happens about real in game problems because players who it does not concern ignorantly argue against the matter, What you don't realise is people spend a lot of time on characters and they are stuck in a difficult situation they don't want to leave the character theyve possibly played and worked hard on since the beggining of WoW but at the same time what you probs don't realise is not everyone is rolling around in money and not everyone can afford the fees to migrate characters. So what other choice have them players got? They started the game all them years ago been loyal since and have watched it fall apart around them. Its hardly their fault if they complain.

This is once for all one of the best answers to all the people that want to argue against the matter. The Blizzard itself ( through a blue post) do not deny the problem. Why you should do?

Hey there ! I wanted to support your thread here. Like every other player from Al'Akir, i'd also love to see some alliance players (i think didnt see any more than a year) therefore blizzard must come with some fix here because this is just wrong..

I know that EU part of blizzard is not really effective maybe they are just limited who knows whats the deal there but still people are hoping for a solution. Instead of useless replies such as ''WE ARE AWARE OF PROBLEM'' can you come with something else ? For how long are you aware of this problem ? ''FOR 2 YEARS'' What did you do about it ? Well as all we can see you did NOTHING.

Pls come with something else so people will respect you and they will actually think that you care about their problems and you are working on a solution.

It is 2 years; not 2 weeks not 2 months so don't come with excuses here you cant have any excuses it is simple as that.

IF you are not here to help us if you are not here to solve our problems can you tell me what exactly is your job ? I'm really wondering what you guys are doing there.

Eu part of blizzard doesn't seem to be capable of coming with fixes/solutions. This never happened before and it will never happen. If you are lucky this thread will get attention of US and actually thats the only thing that can help Al'Akir.

Try to be objective for once and understand that people are tired of unbalanced realms and they simply hate it. Even Rift can offer free transfers without any webform or such things. You do that with 1 click on the realm menu and thats it. A stupid game like that can actually come with a lot of good features but blizzard cant ? Maybe you dont have resources ? Come on...

I want to quote this post because it shows clearly that it is part of the Blizzard job to help us and solve our problems. Too many arguments were carried by other players saying that this is not a Blizzard issue. I however do not know enough of EU/US part of Blizzard to judge them separately, but I can judge the company as a whole from their actions.

I keep stressing that we do not expect an immediate and easy solution, but something has to be done. I invite the MPV Danellos to reply further and discuss with us sharing his point of view. The post he made about the migration was quite good, but still I would like to know what he thinks about how the forum post evolved. I am still hoping we are grabbing his attention here (as well the one of the Blizzard).

03/01/2012 21:21Posted by Marizza

[quote]Just be patient, and be rest assured that they are aware of the situation. A fix, however, is not always simple or even immediate.

To begin with I dont blame the blues i know they do whatever they can for us and some of them actually actively play the game and see what we see. But company's policy regarding the specific issue is very bad for us as players and the game. For me they shouldn't even reply on those topics. Silence is better then lies.

Anyway i play on Draenor one of the most populated realms in the world right now. We dont have much alliance also but its better then on Alakir. I payed 60 euros 2,5 years ago to migrate 3 chars from Nagrand EU/Vindication in order to keep our guild alive and we managed to do it. I dont want to see other people paying due to problems created by blizzard and blizzard only.

Blizzard introduced realm and faction changes that destroyed entire realms (because they didnt bother to control the migrations and simply collected the cash). Blizzard refuses to fix the problem they created for so many years.

I actually tried to find posts from http://woweuarchive (its the old forums) with vaneras posting exactly what he posted now and replies just like the one you gave. But they deleted them all hahaha. talking about posts from 2008-2009 etc :) If you actually google "realm merges woweuarchive" you ll still find a couple of links from the old forums but you cant open them cause they got deleted.

Personally i was posting on suggestion section on the old forums from the summer of Sunwell when my old realm started having serious problems and way before we migrated to Draenor and way before Nagrand became completely dead asking for help which ofc we didnt get as a realm. They just dont care and collect a ton of cash from the migratons. Which makes perfect sense from a business pov ofc but when you are the one that created the huge problem is a bit bad at least on my eyes.

So anyway i dont need to be patient i already moved. But the rest shouldn't expect a single thing from blizzard they wont lift a finger to help those realms. Imo reroll, pay to migrate, quit do w/e you like. But dont expect help it just wont come. They will merge realms at some point when wow subs drop really low but wont happen soon imo. So yes i read what Vaneras wrote i just don't believe him. Have read the same thing at least 10-20 times since Burning Crusade.

Another quite good post Thanks Marizza for sharing your experience.

I do think that silence is better than lie but they are both bad after long time.

And then I decide to quote also Eritikas:

This thread looks like discussion between politician and people. Politician who thinks that he can calm down angry electorate with standard "I see the problem" after 2 years of "seeing it" and doing nothing. Nice answer to people whose money are used to pay salaries. Maybe Blizzard could pay less to managers and hire some developers who could actually fix the problem by merging two low population realms (yes, it is possible and mechanism is in place). Unless of course Blizzard thinks that angry customers all over the Internet is good PR :).

For companies involved int his market Public Relationships and good Advertising is everything. I would say that the this is the most powerful tools that customers have to stand against them.
They are not free to do whatever they want.