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Ever since LFR Dragon Soul raid was released to WoW players I keep asking myself. to who this raid is ment to. I will give you typical LFR as Resto Shaman:

Stand close to boss and Healing Rain, Healing Rain, Healing Rain, Healing Rain, Healing Rain...

I find some heroic dungeons even more harder than LFR. Now I understand that LFR suppose to be easy and accessable to everyone, even grandma and her dog but dont you think its a bit too much accessable. I mean, I honestly get bored in LFR. This is what I find myself doing;

Watch youtube on 2nd monitor and press Healing Rain.
Check people gear while pressing Healing Rain.
Guild chatting while pressing Healing Rain.
Go fetch cold drink and while doing that bathroom trip, when come back, Healing Rain.
Play EVE online on 2nd PC, while pressing Healing Rain.
Discuss with brother about Skyrim and checking mods while sometimes tap Healing Rain.

Now one would ask, why do you do it then? Well, I want to raid. I do not hate LFR, I think its wonderful idea, but my oppinion is that it is created for apes. New target audience for Blizzard? Monkies, Gorillas, Chimps... you know em all. Because when I do LFR I feel like it is made not for human players or has humanity sank that low?

For future, if you, Blizzard want to do easy accessable raids thats fine but please do something interesting than standing at boss and mashing same button all the time, have faith in humanity.

erm yeah....with the gear you have I wonder why you go LFR anyway? You outgear it already and its working as intended. Blizzard stated it would be designed for people with half a brain. If you have a full one you ll be completly under-challenged.

Well this is exactly what I seek as an ansver... you said yourself its designed for people with half a brain. Do Blizzard really think that of its own players? If people only after gear, then why not just make bosses dead already and Thrall calls us HEROs as we loot boss. There is no difference in fighting boss or just find him dead and loot him, only time difference.

Do normal and heroic modes then. Also 4/8 lol, I don't think you're the right one to come and talk about others having half a brain. You could also try something else than healing. With healing all fights are the same, and you don't need to know much about them.

04/01/2012 18:29Posted by Herpy

Do normal and heroic modes then. Also 4/8 lol, I don't think you're the right one to come and talk about others having half a brain. You could also try something else than healing. With healing all fights are the same, and you don't need to know much about them.

Do you realize that maybe my guild is not raiding guild? you remind me of those arena heros that bash people with raiting and think they are something special. In which case you are one of those garbage people of WoW that makes this commnity horrible.

Doing normal or heroic with pugs is impossible and I do not want to leave my guild JUST to raid. All I ask is to make LFR more challenging. Or, at least for healers some mechanics that is more fun than spamming one button.

04/01/2012 18:29Posted by Herpy

Do normal and heroic modes then. Also 4/8 lol, I don't think you're the right one to come and talk about others having half a brain. You could also try something else than healing. With healing all fights are the same, and you don't need to know much about them.

also this could be Ops alt - never jump to conclusions to fast if u dont knwo for sure. And judging people like this proves that ur the exact member of playerbase lfr was designed for ;0

Yup, 'casual' content is messed up. Entry level HCs are less forgiving and harder than LFR, instances just gets easier as you progress.

Casual endgame is just a massive grind now, it just rewards people for having the time to farm the same repetitive content every week. As it's supposedly aimed at those that don't have so much time to play, that seems counter intuitive.

Wait for that time, when 3-4 other healers are afk during Madness.

Hey Anjica,

Now as everyone knows, its goes LFR is easier than Normal which is easier than heroic, obviously. LFR from my knowledge is for people who either dont have the time to raid or aren't good enough to raid so its there to teach the new players as just jumping into a 10man normal can be quite overwhelming with all the abilities and types of abilities that they havn't seen before so LFR introduces them slowly to them. Now as you have done the first 4 and say you find it easy then you are to good for it so go to normal (i know everything i said so far is kinda obvious) so i suggest talking to other guilds and seeing if you can get spots in their raids? dont leave your current guild but many guilds, esepcially new guilds will take people if you just have the gm of that guild or raid leader added as a friend then you may gets spot and progress through normal DS and find it more of a challenge. So dont complain about LFR because it is meant to be that easy :)

04/01/2012 20:37Posted by Airath

Wait for that time, when 3-4 other healers are afk during Madness.

And who are in-fact dpses, but wanted a shorter queue.

Hey Anjica,

Now as everyone knows, its goes LFR is easier than Normal which is easier than heroic, obviously. LFR from my knowledge is for people who either dont have the time to raid or aren't good enough to raid so its there to teach the new players as just jumping into a 10man normal can be quite overwhelming with all the abilities and types of abilities that they havn't seen before so LFR introduces them slowly to them. Now as you have done the first 4 and say you find it easy then you are to good for it so go to normal (i know everything i said so far is kinda obvious) so i suggest talking to other guilds and seeing if you can get spots in their raids? dont leave your current guild but many guilds, esepcially new guilds will take people if you just have the gm of that guild or raid leader added as a friend then you may gets spot and progress through normal DS and find it more of a challenge. So dont complain about LFR because it is meant to be that easy :)

Nice point but you say...

04/01/2012 21:46Posted by Raadish

its there to teach the new players

But it does not. It does not teach new player anything about raiding. If blizzard truly wanted to teach player how to raid, Blizzard would add old raids to LFR so that while player is leveling his very first character he will have access to easy level 60 raids to show what is it all about. Same goes with old level 70 raids and 80... why not start teaching early rather than from end. You think guy who never raided or knows how to play his class properly (with speed of leveling this day) learn something new from LFR? No, he does not. So I am sorry but I do not see LFR as "teaching" mechanic.

I agree, some people dont have gadzillion of time to put into raiding, I am one of them but I still would like some challenge from raid. I litterally use one single spell in whole 8 boss raid and rarely even need to move at all. How is this "fun"?

Ever since LFR Dragon Soul raid was released to WoW players I keep asking myself. to who this raid is ment to. I will give you typical LFR as Resto Shaman:

Stand close to boss and Healing Rain, Healing Rain, Healing Rain, Healing Rain, Healing Rain..

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I will give you a typical DS NORMAL as holy paladin.

Stack Up and Holy Radiance, Holy Radiance , Holy Radiance, Holy Radiance.

This tactic applies to DS Heroic too.

Killed madness today on my priest with 7 dps below the tank, one was a arms warrior who had 95% activity acording to logs but he still did 9.5k dps with all the buffs on that fight, yes he had no enchants nor gems he wasnt even at 4% hit even for pvp ...

How is that even possible you might ask to do lfr with people like these?
Well lets face it its really made for apes/mongrels what ever you want to call them and even they fail when they do not get carried.

LFR will teach the new players and the newbs nothing it will just make them worse.
And each time they find a wall infront of them they will come here to cry for nerfs even if the wall its just simple thing like moving out of 3 fires that come one after another or having to DPS 3more targets before nuking something else(tentacles any one?).

FAIL GAME IS FAIL..
I dont know what you did with your dev team blizzard but you keep destroying the game.

05/01/2012 00:39Posted by Ebalina

Well lets face it its really made for apes/mongrels what ever you want to call them and even they fail when they do not get carried.

How did you manage to get yourself into something made for apes/mongrels? Let me guess...

Raadish, i can see your point, but i must say there are some flaws in your logic.

04/01/2012 21:46Posted by Raadish

LFR from my knowledge is for people who either dont have the time to raid or aren't good enough to raid so its there to teach the new players as just jumping into a 10man normal can be quite overwhelming with all the abilities and types of abilities that they havn't seen before so LFR introduces them slowly to them

First of all, "teaching" players to raid used to be the job of the 5 man heroics.

How did that work out? Players cried for nerfs until it is faceroll. And now we have far more people who dont know how to play, cannot grasp simple concepts and never realise what that magic green bar in the top left of their screen means and what to do to stop it dropping.

LFR is far too late to be "learning" the basics of a raid, or your class. The whole leveling experience is just really messed up in WoW, you never learn anything until you reach the end because everything up to that point is one or two shot.

There is no "teaching" with LFR imo, many, many boss abilities are nerfed to such a state that a competent healer will outheal mistakes just so they dont stab themselves from boredom.

And the more challenging boss mechanics are removed in LFR, meaning that even less is learned from it.

Sure, i can agree it should be kept relatively easy so that PuG groups can succeed, but i would say that when a PuG group could succeed with maybe what, half the raid dead/afk/underperforming is just too easy.

And this is one of the problems people like the OP have, if they cannot make the commitment for a raiding guild there is literally nothing in the game for them that is challenging outside pvp (debatably).

The new 5 mans are a joke, a lot of proffessions now cannot make money, LFR is like the 5 mans only longer and with less variety, i dont think the game has felt this grindy since ICC.

To be honest, the difficulty of LFR is not a convenience, it is an insult to the playerbase.

05/01/2012 00:47Posted by Volrag

Sure, i can agree it should be kept relatively easy so that PuG groups can succeed, but i would say that when a PuG group could succeed with maybe what, half the raid dead/afk/underperforming is just too easy.

This is made not for PuGs but for cross-realm totally random groups. Traditional PuGs involve some gear checks and even stupid "link achi" helps sometimes. LFR has no raid leader, no gear check, no balance (not sure, maybe it has though), nothing from PuG.

The OP is correct. Healing Rain needs to be reduced in it's effectiveness.

You raid properly or you don't. That's why I don't.

I tried LFR for 2 bosses it was a horrible zerg and both were killed pretty easy, and that was in the first week.

Raids have no sense with a bunch of people that don't talk to each other and will never meet again. Raids are supposed to be something else

05/01/2012 00:56Posted by Kerulen

This is made not for PuGs but for cross-realm totally random groups. Traditional PuGs involve some gear checks and even stupid "link achi" helps sometimes. LFR has no raid leader, no gear check, no balance (not sure, maybe it has though), nothing from PuG.

There's a hardcoded ilvl check, and whilst people can circumvent it by using PvP gear it really isn't an enormous issue. Being frank I pugged FL a number of times on my alt, and the success difference between groups where ilvl, gearcheck, achiev link were required, and where you just had to have a certain ilvl, was minimal. I'd be willing to bet the experience was similar for a lot of other people too - after all, I think it's safe to say that the players who can demonstrate at least an average level of competency at WoW are a majority of the total playerbase, rather than the other way around.

As I've already said in another thread, it seems Blizzard have shifted to the opposite end of the gamer spectrum, catering specifically to a relatively small minority of apparently either mostly braindead or terminally lazy players.

It's a shame Blizzard doesn't implement an ingame account-based polling system to get the opinions of the playerbase on things like the LFR. A simple on-login polling screen offering an opportunity to rate the LFR as: 1) just right, 2) too easy, 3) too hard would allow Blizzard to properly gauge peoples' feelings about it, and whilst you'd obviously get some trolls, and people with more than one battle net account would be able to vote more than once, I doubt it would affect the overall veracity of the poll significantly enough to skew the results one way or another.

Dear OP
You are so right - and the problem come from a constant nerfing of content, so even a monkey can handle LFR. How that is going to teach anyone to raid or learn to play is still a mystery to me.

As i have said many many times, players learned their class´ in BC´s HC´s - since then - it turned faceroll - and aoe all the time.

Cata was a good start back to the learning of the game, some HC´s where pl had to use the chars abillities - but sadly DEW from Blizzard changed that - so it become faceroll again.

I dont get it?