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As some of you might be aware Dutch internet providers Ziggo and XS4All have to block the Piratebay from all their users, what do you think about this?

I now have to spend my money on a proper VPN service.


I sure as hell didn't vote for this. Who did?

No seriously, who put these jackasses into parliament?
I hate you.

~Vaeil

I now have to spend my money on a proper VPN service.

Sure as hell didn't vote for this. Who did?

~Vaeil

Well piracy is illegal pl0x

I don't pirate. I buy my games via Steam, listen music via Spotify.
The only reason I use ThePirateBay is to get content that is impossible to procure for me otherwise.

Besides, this isn't about piracy. It's about the very idea of censoring the internet.

~Vaeil

I don't pirate. I buy my games via Steam, listen music via Spotify.
The only reason I use ThePirateBay is to get content that is impossible to procure for me otherwise.

Besides, this isn't about piracy. It's about the very idea of censoring the internet.

~Vaeil

could be worse.. it could be SOPA

That's not an argument.

"Oh, it's only your foot! You could have lost your whole leg. Stop screaming in pain."

~Vaeil

It used to be: download torrent -> download program
Now it's: download magnet link -> download torrent -> download program

It used to be: download torrent -> download program
Now it's: download magnet link -> download torrent -> download program

That's 1 whole click extra! In a world where we spend thousands of bucks on escalators so we don't have to climb stairs this is utterly unacceptable.

It used to be: download torrent -> download program
Now it's: download magnet link -> download torrent -> download program

And this is a result of rulings like the one that's just happened.
The reason that TPB switched to magnets is because it's easier to mirror TPB like this. If TPB wasn't facing blocking, it would deem switching to magnets far less attractive.

~Vaeil

I don't really expect to see this stopping piracy in any way. Aside from various ways that will presumably bypass this measure, last time I checked TPB wasn't the only place on the internet where one could download software.
I do see this as unwelcome censoring of the internet, funny that something like this gets pushed through by a government with a supposedly liberal party :D
Did not vote for either government party or the PVV.

I don't pirate. I buy my games via Steam, listen music via Spotify.
The only reason I use ThePirateBay is to get content that is impossible to procure for me otherwise.

Besides, this isn't about piracy. It's about the very idea of censoring the internet.

~Vaeil

could be worse.. it could be SOPA

Well, the bad thing is, what happened here is how SOPA is going to work in practice.
ISPs being forced into being hencemen for the entertainment industry.
I just hope the XS4ALL will win the appeal.

15/01/2012 01:11Posted by Cugelous

As some of you might be aware Dutch internet providers Ziggo and XS4All have to block the Piratebay from all their users, what do you think about this?

edit: Come to think it.
If Piratebay violates a lot of author rights.. its not all that bad.

19/01/2012 22:13Posted by Chasophias

If Piratebay violates a lot of author rights.. its not all that bad.

It doesn't. TPB doesn't host any content it doesn't own.
It provides links to allow people to download things between each other. The links aren't even hosted on TPB anymore since the default switched to magnet links.

Piracy is a service problem. I'm sick of deranged media companies trying to make the world a worse place by making it even more of a problem. Spending time (and money) trying to shut down sites like TPB is making it very clear that they don't have a bloody clue what they're doing.

~Vaeil

those who say their there to help fight against something
have their own interests

prophiting downloadsites like megaupload or sites with linking towards torrents like piratebay
is like making weed illegal in holland again
good luck sorting that haha there would be no control
where one falls another rises

hope holland doesnt get that hypocrite as that county on the other side of the atlantic ocean

problem lies with the entertainment business
quantity & money vs. quality

buma stemra and brein are corrupt and people that are as bad as the industry itself

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/3380/muziek/article/detail/3059600/2011/12/01/Corrupt-krankzinnig-en-zakkenvullers-een-zwaar-jaar-voor-Buma-Stemra.dhtml

15/01/2012 01:11Posted by Cugelous

As some of you might be aware Dutch internet providers Ziggo and XS4All have to block the Piratebay from all their users, what do you think about this?

Government already looking in to protective laws for internet providers so this none-sense doesn't repeat. So, I are worried not.

Then again, I don't really download anything but free music from underground artists. So, I don't care all that much.

tbh i see it as the companys robbing us when we pay for all these garbage movies and games that are churned out without any real effort. The movie industry is dieing not because of piracy but because all they care about these days is fancy effects rather than engaging stories.

The games industry is worse. Games would be far better if the producers spent more time on gameplay than fancy gfx and then people might be willing to actualy buy them.
I bought crysis £30 hardest setting completed in 6 hours. Who robbed who?

The music industry is pretty bad aswell.

20/01/2012 11:16Posted by Frah

The games industry is worse. Games would be far better if the producers spent more time on gameplay than fancy gfx and then people might be willing to actualy buy them.

Depends what you spend your money on.
Left for Dead? Very cheap, and gave me hours of fun with my friends.
League of Legends; Buy a little bit of RP every now and then, worth the money easily.
Starcraft? Singleplayer was great, multiplayer makes it worth it a thousand times over.

Just don't spend your cash on Generic Shooter 3 and it's actually not that big of a problem in the games industry.
In fact, just avoid EA.

The biggest problem I have with piracy is that most of the industry doesn't seem to understand how the world works: They try to crack down on piracy by providing even LESS service for their customers.
That's why the few that -do- get it; Spotify, Steam, iTunes ad some others actually work. They're brilliant things that make people actually pay for media, for no other reason but because it's easier than piracy.

If the choice is between slamming down €50 for a 6-hour game that will need me to register with 2 online services, and isn't installable on more than 3 computers - and just pirating that for free. Then yeah, I'm going to pirate.
If the choice is between that game, for cheap - on all the computers I own or will ever own, ready to download via steam. Then I use Steam.

The Steam game is BETTER than the pirated copy. What most media companies sell is WORSE than the pirated copy. Spotify is BETTER than downloading everything pirated. etc.

I have no idea why so few companies get this.

~Vaeil

yes i agree there aswell

I download movies because its easier for me to have a movie archive on a single HDD than to have 100+ DVD/BR boxes and cds.

When you buy a DVD/BR you also pay for all that extra junk like shipping to the box to the shop and the actual box itself and all that junk.

Hell I have even said the money they could make is insane. I would happily buy cheap movies with adverts for 2 mins every 20 mins that i could download. Think of all the advertisement money the movie industry could make.

Its just old outdated suits not moving with the times and fearing their future.