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Lol, assumptions again:) I have read all the warcraft books but I admit not the manga style graphic series. So I do know the backgrounds to the different races, although I don't feel I know more than any one else or feel the need to try and tell others to go and learn as much as the great forum lord ;P

My whole point was exactly as you stated that they aren't real races , it's all fictional and belongs to them . They aren't a population of a real country , but in the words of the life of Brian WE are all individuals . We are free to rp a race any way we feel, we may rp a loyalist or a twilights hammer cultist( which you failed to mention above , so not every human in game has the same mindset). Other players may shun you for wanting to rp a queen or a dragon but you can still do it as you pay your monthly fee and it's the players right. I just propose that the should give us more choices, break down a few barriers, give us cross faction groups and communication. They may design and own the world but we populate it and therefore we have an element of control as if there's a mass exodus to swtor then they will need to do something drastic to drag players back. I believe new races say the high elfs and new factions or divisions of existing could excite some players to return. The game has totally evolved since vanilla and wil continue to do so and nothing said can stop it as it needs to grow to satisfy it's player base. Lore is not cannon so quoting this race would do this and this race that is all propostorious as everything is up for change, the truth is there is no spoon.....

*cracks knuckles* Right. I am normally quite a well-mannered person, however you are really pushing me past the point where I will stop caring what you say altogether. I'll answer you though because I'm too polite not to. I only wish you wouldn't return the favour.

For a start, you say you know the Lore yet you show a constant glaring lack of comprehension of it.
Secondly, doing something drastic in an attempt to gain attention is what children do. However, most of us are not children and what we want is not some half-baked concept that will ruin the game, but a clever twist on what is already there.

It's like looking at Mass Effect and thinking that it needs more Spock so you change the Normandy to the Star Ship Enterprise.

As for your whole point of these not being real races I suggest you start thinking logically and not trying to out-smart me. As I have stated, these races are all just traits from real life strung over various caricatures that we call races. They're all written by humans, created by humans, animated by humans and interacted with in the game by humans.

Whilst yes, they do act differently to out currently accepted western style of life, they are not immune to Psychoanalysis and in truth, they are very easy to read.

As for SW:TOR, it's a passing fad and nothing more. The things that made people fall in love with WoW was as much the humour, the people and the world as it was gameplay. SW:TOR will likely stick around for a while but it's moment in the sun is most likely going to be short-lived. It will have it's dedicated userbase, but it's not going to be sucking people away from WoW much more as it has stopped being new and interesting.

For me, the endgame content was just not satisfactory and the story that people crave didn't engage me as much as the RPG did. It's a shame.

Now, if you are so adamant that this idea of yours is a fantastic development, take it somewhere other than my thread because it's both off-topic and completely asinine.

Let's get back onto the topic at hand.

On topic:
Uhh, oops?

I am sorry you feel I am pushing you as most of the time I am simply defending what I believe to be a snipe. I also have been posting "ideas" about high elves which is the topic in the post so I dont knowwhy you feel so maligned. I support the idea of them being in the game and I would also like there to be a new city ( or Dalaran ) impossed too. I also believe as I suggested earlier that blizz can and will change lore as needed to assist them adding new races/ classes as we see with the panda/monk which hasn't been seen since a very old ( an maybe replaced) quest in the barrens. I still believe that they will have to alter something quite drastically for the next expansion ( unless it's the emerald dream) as they are currently running quite low on lore and the ever present big bad. From what I have heard from various podcasts it's there intention to make the focus on cross faction fighting in MoP so the idea that a new faction maybe introduced may or may not be far off the mark.

How about this then a unified Kaldorei /Quel dorei faction? With them even pulling back from the alliance, maybe if they lost the two current love bird rulers and shandris and Jarod were to take the reigns, opinions.

Killing off Tyrande and Malfurion would simply bring about another gaping hole in elven lore, especially considering how the lore team handled the leadership of the blood elves in the aftermath of Kael'thas' unfortunate demise.

Cal is right. There's no point in altering the Kaldorei, especially since they'll soon see some action when Maiev comes back to kill her way to glory.

My idea was built specifically to have as minor an impact on existing races as possible, whilst also building on their lore and giving a much-needed boost to the Blood Elves.

Since the thread has begun I've come across a lot of ideas that would be nice and that would make sense to implement as opposed to the original idea and I'll be making a thread about that when this one dies off.

Would be nice to see Aleria return yes, but having her turn against her own kingdom and try purge Quel'thalas of Sin'dorei? No. Thats just silly on all matters and means. Most likely if she heard of what the humans did to her people and what actually happened with the scourge, she'd most likely convert herself and replace Rommath perhaps. Since apparently he's secretly with the Twilight hammer so imagine in developments he'd be killed sometime soon sadly.

Helfs as a playable race? Hell yes, but why not make Sin'dorei and helfs as under one race again and join alliance, and selectable in a feature option at character creation. This would restore some faith in lore again.

There will always be need for the crusade in one matter or another, The lich king -will- return sooner or later, and then we have another wotlk again.

Other than that, i'd love to see a new human capitol propping up in Plaguelands perhaps, that would finally spur Blizzard to redo Quel'thalas finally, and would make a reason to why the helf/belf suggestion become viable, as in the Sin'dorei would ally themselves with the humans to help protect them instead and then they don't need the support of the forsaken anymore, with that the sin'dorei would end the alliance with the horde/forsaken in a heartbeat.

Then for horde just give them some crazy stupid race, they've done it before with space goats and made things viable, i'm sure they can think of something to do it again, but instead for horde.

Sounds good I like the select option especially , that wouldn't take alot to implement as well. The sooner that elven society is strengthened the better, this was a race of immortals after all and the fact is no one even knows for sure there life span now. Also as a point what is happening with Nordressil ? Ysera has surely finished under there now and could an elven city not be situated up there? Would the Quel Dorei maybe situate thereselfs in the boughs maybe to connect more with nature as there Kaldorei cousins have? Just a few thoughts :)

20/01/2012 21:02Posted by Thallandorr

Would the Quel Dorei maybe situate thereselfs in the boughs maybe to connect more with nature as there Kaldorei cousins have? Just a few thoughts :)

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...but that would simply result in high elves becoming a copy and pasted version of night elves, though with lighter skin. They need to be distinct from both the blood elves and the night elves.

Would be nice to see Aleria return yes, but having her turn against her own kingdom and try purge Quel'thalas of Sin'dorei? No. Thats just silly on all matters and means. Most likely if she heard of what the humans did to her people and what actually happened with the scourge, she'd most likely convert herself and replace Rommath perhaps. Since apparently he's secretly with the Twilight hammer so imagine in developments he'd be killed sometime soon sadly.

I'm not so sure that Alleria would instantly side with the Sin'Dorei, Siveri... this might just be my personal opinion on her character and how I see her, but Alleria always seemed to me to be a strong person, one who doesn't back down from a challenge, even when the odds are stacked against her.

Sure, some humans persecuted the elves... but then again, these would be the same elves who, in the face of adversity, decided to start leeching demons of their magical energies to get their magic fix and "MOAR POWER!" unlike the High Elves who buckled up and decided to get by every day by meditating to stave off the magical hunger.

Next, consider the fact that the orcs and trolls (I know those were forest trolls, but I doubt Alleria (or many other High Elves) would care, truth be told) have been the sworn enemies of the Alliance AND the High Elves for a -long- time.

So, on one side we have the High Elves who either stayed with the Alliance or became independent... the Elves who, when faced with adversity and their magical addiction, decided to take the hard route and keep to their ancient ways and not sacrifice everything that made them truly "noble" elves.

And on the other side we have the Blood Elves, former magic addicts who sucked demons dry at the first opportunity, devolved into essentially a police state and decided to side with orcs and trolls, just so they could stay alive (by siding with a large faction and having a few grievances with a few humans).

I'm not saying I know Alleria's personality in/out, and that I alone can "divine her purpose" or crap like that, but I reaaaally doubt she would side with the Blood Elves, especially when so many other High Elves (including Alleria's sister) have already taken a stand against them.

And to suddenly start following the Horde, especially when their current Warchief is someone who it'd look like is trying his best to emulate the war-mongering Horde of the past... I just don't see that happening.

Alleria Windrunner is a woman who fights for her people. But I don't think she would see the Blood Elves as her people. If she had to choose, she'd join forces with her living and non-tyrant sister, instead of the one who keeps becoming worse than the orcs.

Edit: See above for what I have just removed. Consider it my opinion 2.0... he scares me he's that good xD

Next, a High Elf city under the world tree... this doesn't bear answering.

Hybrid Alliance/horde. This would only work if they changed Quel'Thalas and Ghostlands into a zone like Gilneas. This way though, you'd pick your faction at the start and that would make you either High elf or Blood Elf. High Elves would fight from levels 1-10 through the ghostlands and then 10-15/20 in a phased Quel'Thalas. And vice-versa for the Belves.

Then at lvl 30 they move out into Western/eastern plaguelands that I would like to see united into one large zone where the Alliance fight from their base in the east over to the west and again, vice versa.

20/01/2012 21:06Posted by Calthric

...but that would simply result in high elves becoming a copy and pasted version of night elves, though with lighter skin. They need to be distinct from both the blood elves and the night elves.

I agree with you....The difference between High Elves and Blood Elves is like the difference between two twins I knew with blue and green eyes. Appearance-wise they're near enough the same but their personalities were very different. I dislike the idea of two near identical races in WoW being playable for the sake of there being many, many different races that could be playable.

A third race of playable elves would nudge the game further towards World of Elfcraft (not that I'm too fond of the current Thrallcraft).

I'd sooner have sand gnomes (Ya Hya Chouhada!) than high elves.

Well, we're hearing talk of playable Naga, and they're Elves, more or less.

Night elves..

If I can just put this idea out there -

Remove Tyrande and Malfurion from the board. I don't mean killing them off (I'm sure they're redeemable), but pulling something off that'll force them to leave leadership in the hands of someone else. Someone less friendly. A night elven Garrosh, if you will..

A warrior. A Warden, maybe.

Now, I realize that since the events of the Wolfheart novel, Maiev is no longer a reasonable option. However, I would like for the nelves to take a step back from the 'civilized' races, and become the somewhat savage and agressive race that they once were. It'd make for some great clashes with the Horde and - eventually - the Burning Legion.

Now, whether or not the leadership was given or taken by force, eventually Furion and Tyrande would make a comeback. This would challenge them, as well as their people, and in the end they would come out all the stronger for it. Furion would (finally) join the Alliance, instead of being a !@#$ about politics, and Tyrande would become the headstrong leader that the elves so deserve.

Tyrande is headstrong, warlike, vicious and hateful of those who intrude into her forests.

However nobody told those writing her in WoW about any of here lore in WCIII.

The night-Elves were always a vicious and savage people, killing was their go-to method of problem solving and I refuse to believe they abandoned their ways so easily. It's just poor writing.

No, here you see the simple side of what people who don't fully understand the lore of Sin'dorei and taking only what they believe is the simple truth but it isn't. Sin'dorei took purified fel energy out of neccesity, they allowed themselves to set aside their prideful ways and preserve their way of life by making a choice in hope to rebuild their land. Elves were dying out fast after the scourge invasion, their precious city in ruin and 95% of their population were destroyed, and now their own mana addiction was now proving a large threat without the sunwell as it was killing them.

Not all elves are strong ones, some are just mere citizens who haven't much willpower or strength physically like most of us, normal people. (if we all can even be considered normal that is) And thus most arn't strong enough to manage to 'meditate' themselves through the painful addiction so Kael'thas in desperation for his people turned to Fel energy - set aside this was before he became mad for power and turned insane yada yada. So he gave a temporary solution for his people to sate themselves and live, live and continue to try rebuild their shattered kingdom.

Now because of this they renamed themselves 'Sin'dorei' instead to commemorate and honor the fallen, all those who died during the scourge invasion and the taint itself became almost.. a right if you say to respect those who gave their lives. Now if some elves stood up and simply denied everything and were too proud to do something simple then really its just a spit on all those who died graves, horribly dishonorable and a pure mockery of their people. This is generally why Sin'dorei hate Quel'dorei, because they see them as simply saying "F*** you, we're too good to stoop ourselves so low to survive, i spit on your fallen graves."

So hatred came naturally and is why they were removed from Quel'thalas by Lor'themar as it was close to civil war among the survivors of those who took fel and those who were too proud too.

And the reason why sin'dorei are with the horde are simply because Sylvanas offered protection to quel'thalas and help in getting rid of the surviving scourge that endangered finishing off the sin'dorei, but at the price of serving under the hordes command, in which its noted that they really didn't wan't to do at all. But the decision had to be made otherwise without the help of the forsaken they'd of probably been wiped out by the scouring scourge still present.

Well, we're hearing talk of playable Naga, and they're Elves, more or less.

they don't LOOK Elven they look more like lizardpeople...though the lack of legs would annoy me I do yearn to play a scaly/feathery race.

This is all true and I know this, however, Alleria is one of the prejudiced few, just like her sister, who would see the name blood-elf as an actual insult, partly because it would be to her to deny who she saw herself as, and also to associate in any way with the fel-addicts.

Those that are still high-elves are that way because they were strong enough to be. Alleria will respect that.