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Well this will be the #1 troll topic from us shaman after a long time. I may have been trolling last few days in a topic that i would never make a topic again, but never say no :)

What will you post here down below?
* idea's for shaman in general
* why blizzard does not give feedback about us shaman after a year
* what from us as real shaman players is good and bad
* why we again are left behind after one good patch in years

Few rule's,
Be nice on your replay's as i know some of us could just start flaming and than this may even get locked at the end. But than we got it on MMO front-page as the tracking will track it down and the world will know we started of this post.

Blizzard did this once, think it was before DS got live but non of this was seen after....

The idea is simple. We kind of done this as well in the past huge amount of post and we had a word from the dev's. We want the same thing now.

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name:
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spec:
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pve/pvp:
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hardcore/normal/casual:
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love about the class:
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things you want to see different soon:
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things you want to see different on the long term:
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what do you think of the communication from blizzard to shaman:
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MOP you going to play this?
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If yes what PvP or PvE?
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You keep playing shaman or swap to something else?
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Name:
Feli

Spec:
Elemental

PvE/PvP:
PvE

hardcore/normal/casual:
Semihardcore guil.

Love about the class:
Overloads, Totems, Ghostwolf

Things you want to see different soon:
Remove Fire Elemental, buff Searing Totem and Magma Totem instead.
Glyph of Unleashed Lightning should have its effect on Chain Lightning also.

Things you want to see different on the long term:
Long tearm means Panda content anyway... noone knows what Blizz will throw at us there.

What do you think of the communication from blizzard to shaman:
Nothing can be in worse condition.

MOP you going to play this?
Yes, but Im dont have optimism in my mind while thinking about MoP.

If yes what PvP or PvE?
PvE

You keep playing shaman or swap to something else?
I keep playing shaman, other option is to quit.

Name: Ràmpàge

Spec: Elemental

PVP/PvE: PvP

hardcore/normal/casual: I am a normal player that knows my class.
And i always wanna compete in high ratings but with elemental its just not possible because
what arena team will take a ele shaman over a mage/lock

Love about the class:
I like the nice burst we do, thunderstorm, our mastery, and some utility totems.

Things you want to see different SOON:

I want to see our SURIVAL to get Improved by A LOT! If its with our ability to kite or just give us a on demand Cd like iceblock, i don't care. If its something i am good with it.
I want to see our MANA PROBLEMS to get fixed REAL SOON.
Fix earthbind totem.

Things you want to see on the long term:

I don't know for sure, if we get the changes we need Soon then i am happy.

What do you think of the communication from blizzard to shaman:

Less then zero. I mean, we have been crying out to blizzard for the WHOLE expansion already and we haven't got a Single reply.

MOP You going to play this?
As of right now, i am not sure. Why do you want to play a game when you are paying a company to give a crappy class and that you can't see the full potential of the game.
Its just sad

If yes pvp/pve
Pvp

You keep playing shaman or swap to something else?

As of right now i have 4 lvl 85. Druid, shaman, hunter, paladin
And i am really considering to go druid.

What do you think of the communication from blizzard to shaman:

Less then zero. I mean, we have been crying out to blizzard for the WHOLE expansion already and we haven't got a Single reply.

This.

name:
Barium
spec:
Ele or Resto
pve/pvp:
Both
hardcore/normal/casual:
Normal
love about the class:
The feel, Chain lightning, Lava Burst, Crits with GHW, Thunderstorm, The way Blizzard Fixed our movement issue with LB being castable while moving.
things you want to see different soon:
1. Mana Management can be a tad less hard. I feel bad when i need to cast LB's to regen while my fellow healer is working his but off.
2. Defensive CD on Elemental maybe in exchange for less burst
3. Earthbind actually grasping targets all the time
4. Fire elemental with a brain

5. Non elemental; Nerf rogues, ferals (cat 2 bear no skill defensive cd) and frost DK's in PVP

things you want to see different on the long term:
1. The things planned for MOP look promising, keep it up.
what do you think of the communication from blizzard to shaman:
1. Some known issues not being resolved for 1,5 year is a bit unprofessional. The unresolved issues would have been okay as tooltips displayed actual behavior of a spell. E.G.
Earthgrasp roots the target for 5 seconds BUT not always.
Fire elemental aids you in dealing massive damage BUT might do a charizard, or actually most of the time it does.
2. On the other hand they did fix our AOE issue with the new CL which is quite powerfull.
MOP you going to play this?
Dont know
If yes what PvP or PvE?
-If yes both
You keep playing shaman or swap to something else?
-Shaman

24/01/2012 15:41Posted by Barium

2. On the other hand they did fix our AOE issue with the new CL which is quite powerfull.

God, am I only one who is not so jelly about CL? Compared to other classes CL is great when there are 2-5 targets. Such amount of targets is mostly on trash packs only. Who cares about trash packs? When you have to aoe on bosses there is much more targets and you are again falling behind others (mages, locks, warriors etc) because CL is simply ability capped on 5 targets. More targets makes no difference :/

name:
-Copper

spec:
-elemental

pve/pvp:
-PvE

hardcore/normal/casual:
-Semi Hardcore

love about the class:
-They way elemental is played, just my style can't play anything else in this game than that
-Every other game i played i just pick a look a like class like this and i just pwn

things you want to see different soon:
-Fire elemental,
1) make it a pet and only usable for elemental, but lower the damage a bit
2) remove it from the game, boost searing totem and magma totem and also the single target damage

things you want to see different on the long term:
-No more totems, just 0, we know that MoP will give some sort of 0 totems but still something that has so little HP can't be correct at this level after so many years. It old and needs a new twist

what do you think of the communication from blizzard to shaman:
-Is there any? I checked the blue post's from last few month's and only thing where a shaman was called. Was for the 10man setup where you just burned us down like, you don't need shaman (and druids) take a DK and Mage.

MOP you going to play this?
-Looking at how Cata worked so far. No!!!
---- why not? as after so many years you still don't know your own game. You give hardly any notice to the real players. But giving everything to the social club of this game.
---- PvE is not the same these days, where is the look at me i'm a raider i have epic and you don't. Purple is not purple anymore, Not to forget Orange. LoL have you ever seen so many people with orange items. What's up with Madness items, the caster (DPS) item's are just bad. You know this back from 1.0 where you had items like this with 0 2nd stats and a item levels lower than that was just much better. This has been done again. Really did you had new people in the Dev team who don't know that?

If yes what PvP or PvE?
-If i will play MoP than PvE

You keep playing shaman or swap to something else?
-Don't like anything else out there it's not the same. Tried it but no thank you!


PS. sorry for the harsh talk about your dev people but please you know better than this!!!!

name:
Exiasee

spec:
Restoration mainspec, Enhancement offspec

pve/pvp:
PvE solely

hardcore/normal/casual:
normal, even though I'd love to be hardcore

love about the class:
dunno. I just like it

things you want to see different soon:
better totem coverage, buff totems out of the gcd

things you want to see different on the long term:
n/a

what do you think of the communication from blizzard to shaman:
what communication?

MOP you going to play this?
only if I continue to play WoW

If yes what PvP or PvE?
pve

You keep playing shaman or swap to something else?
I used to be a mage and swapped to shaman for Cata. I can't answer this because I may continue to be a shaman, I may change. If I stay

-name: deathside

-spece: enhancment

-pvp

-hardcore/normal/casual: hardcore

-love about the class: stormstrike-frost shock-malestorm

-things u wan 2 see diferent soon: defensive cd-bliiz take our healing(focus insight) plz give it bk-stonclaw scale

-things u wan 2 see in long term: we w8 2 see what plans bliz got for shamies(ele/enhancment)

-communication from bliizard 2 shaman: dear bliizard u made a class called shaman(just wanted 2 mention)plz ignore mages/rogues for a while

-mob u are going 2 play this: duno

-if yes what pvp or pve: pvp

-you keep playing shaman or swamp to something else: i got mage and war 85 i play mage or lvl my 70 rogue or lock and play with them

Name:
Staticbolt

Spec:
Enhancement

PvE/PvP:
PvP

hardcore/normal/casual:
Normal

Love about the class:
Amimations, looks, playstyle, totems, shocks

Things you want to see different soon:
Fix our current bugs and scaling.

Things you want to see different on the long term:
Arena viability.

What do you think of the communication from blizzard to shaman:
There is no communication on the forum, apart from the daily news.

MOP you going to play this?
Yes.

If yes what PvP or PvE?
Both, I usually switch a few times during the expansion.

You keep playing shaman or swap to something else?
I will keep playing my shaman.

come on guys this needs more attention :)

24/01/2012 18:11Posted by Copperkop

---- why not? as after so many years you still don't know your own game. You give hardly any notice to the real players. But giving everything to the social club of this game.

I mind these kind of posts, you realize the players you call social are the "real" players? Money-wise, any business not catering to bite-sized play has to be extremely sure of what they're doing. And Blizzard already has SC2 for srsbz gaming, so they're probably just expanding their basis - see D3 being super-lightweight.

It makes no sense if a company were to make a MMO "4 duh reel gam0rs". First, no one can tell you who those are. Second, you're looking at a 400k-600k playerbase at max, judging from DAoC at it's high point.

name:
Ryukûn

spec:
Elemental / Elemental

pve/pvp:
Pve / Pvp ^^

hardcore/normal/casual:
something between hardcore and normal

love about the class:
it throws LIGHTNINGZZZZZ!!!!!

things you want to see different soon:
i want some defensive cooldowns...and bug fixes,like getting slowed while in ghostwolf

things you want to see different on the long term:
I WANT SOME DEFENSIVE COOLDOWNS!!!!!

what do you think of the communication from blizzard to shaman:
"shaman is fine" <- best joke ever

MOP you going to play this?
probably testing it,but actually not itnerested in "kung fu panda"

If yes what PvP or PvE?
Pvp,but testing PvE,if i try it out

You keep playing shaman or swap to something else?
Shaman is my religion!!!1111

Name:
Carrigan

Spec:
Restoration

PvE/PvP:
PvE, sometimes PvP if RL allows the playtime

hardcore/normal/casual:
normal - hardcore if you account for me being an officer and a raidleader

Love about the class:
Spell graphics, "trick" abilities, selfrezz

Things you want to see different soon:
Healer Mana Regen rebalances so regen stats remain crucial throughout an xpack.

Things you want to see different on the long term:
2v2, LFD, LFR and Flying Mounts removed. ;)

What do you think of the communication from blizzard to shaman:
Nothing much. Would be nice to know what they're up to, but understandable they don't share it.

MOP you going to play this?
Yes.

If yes what PvP or PvE?
PvE mostly, as above, PvP depends on how much time I get to play WoW with.

You keep playing shaman or swap to something else?
Shaman ofc. :D

I may have stated it wrong Cari XD
Talking about how the classes work, as in my eyes so far for the last few years i have hardly seen any real good improvement. Only minor fix to fix the small picture. Only real good change was the CD remove from CL. Make's elle a bit more fun. But beside that there are so many-things for us shaman that have good potential but not jet been used. Take some old Tier Bonus from WoTK or even before that during TBC days. Allot of those bonus i would love to see in a Talent tree. Some had great great potentional

Main thing is that we hardly get any good feedback from how Blizz feels about our class. The communication is like so USA. back to the 90's like with most things there. If you see a USA program it's like go back 10/20years in time.

Think that is my main problem so far. A weekly blue is like reading nothing important at all. Would be cool if we know who our Shaman Dev's are. Get a monthly update how they think it is going and know how they would like to see things roll.


communication is so important and if there is non, things will not work.

Well, yes, kinda.
I do feel however that if they wanted to do full communication, they'd have to form a relatively rigid structure.

Probably DAoC-style, based around a special "per-class" MvP (+ role MvPs?) called the "Team Lead" or something (that was the name in DaoC, anyhow), who every so often - I think it was 3 months, and initially monthly - gets to compile 3-5 questions to have the devs answer.

They were allowed to say "Sorry, nothing we'd like to share publicly right now for this", ofc. But more often than not they'd at least drop a short line on why something was on the backlog.

The system took some serious damage when Mind Mastery was ignored the point where other TLs were filing the question why Mind Mastery is not getting buffed (even enemy realm TLs). This caused some "threatening" of TL-replacements, which resulted in a group of TLs stepping down over it, and by then the playerbase had dropped so much that the TL program fell apart.
Why they were ignored? No one knows. They got buffed substantially about a year ago, however, nearly 8 years after it was relevant.

The thing is, if they'd do this they'd have to be extremely careful. the TLs will have to brace an insaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaane amount of player-hate for asking the wrong questions / not asking the wrong questions / not supporting their class / not representing their class / being sh*t / being g*y, and so on. Not a nice job to do.
That being said, gimme. :D

name: Luftvärn

spec: Enh mostly, when i Pve i play either resto or ele

pve/pvp: Both

hardcore/normal/casual: Normal/casual something

love about the class: Most badass looking melee. Windfury, Stormstrike, CL, The looks mostly.

things you want to see different soon: Defensive CD for ele, Removing the !@#$ty searing flames mechanic. It's broken. Wolves scale with AP so they actually do damage, Fire ele totem with a brain. Earth's grasp actually working. Fix enh scaling with haste/crit....

things you want to see different on the long term: Well, the same as above i guess

what do you think of the communication from blizzard to shaman:
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MOP you going to play this? Guild Wars 2 probably

If yes what PvP or PvE?
-

You keep playing shaman or swap to something else?
-

25/01/2012 10:15Posted by Luftvärn

Wolves scale with AP so they actually do damage

They do. What you wanted to say is that their base damage and modifier need to be increased. ;)

<<----name:
spec:
Resto/enhancement

pve/pvp:
PvE on my shaman

hardcore/normal/casual:
Normal

love about the class:
As patches contiued it became harder to tell. The one thing i still ike it the way the class playes and how unique it is compared to others classes esspecially resto, also how chalenging it was in some FL bosses and seeing the confusion on ppls faces when i beat there healing.

things you want to see different soon:
can't really say for me the things that need changing is not really quick fixes.

things you want to see different on the long term:
Remove/Change the LB/regen mechanic from resto it's stupid and certainly not fun. It would not have bother me if it was an instant cast of sort like palas but for me due to ingame ms, server lag, human reacton time, not being haste build, ect standing there for 3s doing nothing is not good esspecially when i try to solo heal stuff. On my very frist madness kill i casted +-100 LBs thats 5 minutes of a 15minute fight where the healer just casts lb. Thats just totaly wrong imo.

what do you think of the communication from blizzard to shaman:
low-none

MOP you going to play this?
Probably just to check it out but first imprestions is no.

If yes what PvP or PvE?
I only pve on my shaman.

You keep playing shaman or swap to something else?
Shaman or quit.

name: D'uh...

spec: Enhancement.

pve/pvp: Only PvE on my shaman.

hardcore/normal/casual: Normal to semi-hardcore.

love about the class: The diversity of being a hybrid melee with spells, and the flow of Enhancement single-target abilities.

things you want to see different soon:

1) T13 4-piece bonus needs a fix pronto. The fact that I can't switch out my old heroic t12 gear because losing the t12 2p bonus will be a downgrade to the t13 4-piece can't be considered anything bug a design flaw. Stat by stat upgrades should make me do more damage, not less.

2) Some kind of burst. Our wolves are a joke in their current state, we scale badly with Heroism/Lust, and we have no real DPS cooldown to pop when we really need to help out burning something down fast. An Execute-style ability would also be welcome.

3) First off, thank you for giving us a viable AoE. Secondly, why did it have to involve so many GCD's and be dependant on our hardest hitting attack that has a 10 second cooldown? As things are now, we are forced to hold off Lava Lash for what sometimes feel like an eternity until mobs come close enough for it to spread Flame Shock. This together with dropping a new totem, popping UE and using Fire Nova for maximum effect makes it unnecessarily complicated, especially on short-lived adds when I compare it to my Arms Warrior for example.

things you want to see different on the long term:

1) Community input taken seriously. A prime example for the lacking of this would be the craftable weapon plans released in 4.2. Concerns were raised long before it went live. It was bad enough that Enhancement as only spec in the game was totally forgotten in the first place, but to not fix it when it was brought to your attention was absolutely unforgivable. Especially considering how our weapon situation was coming from the previous tier with only heroic alternatives dropping from the hardest heroic encounter.

2) Some more effort put into my spec, because I still have the feeling you look at us last with whatever time you might have left after first fixing all other specs. See point 1 about our t13 4p bonus above for example. Not much testing could have been done before releasing that tier bonus. I get that you did it because you want MW to play a more central role in our rotation, but no matter how much you want that, it still needs to be worth using or there is no point. Both SS and LL still has higher priority than LB, so it doesn't matter if you shower us with MW procs, we will still delay that LB for SS and LL and in the process see even more MW procs go to waste while having it at 5 stacks. This is the kind of testing that should be done by you before release, and this also ties back to point 1 regarding community input. If you studied how people play Enhancement, maybe read the different PvE guides, you would have realised that this was a bad tier bonus, reworked it, or made sure that LB actually was our top choice and worth prioritizing over SS and LL.

2) I would really like this short term, but I realise that might be unrealistic. However, you really need to get our gear scaling fixed. Seeing all the loot with Haste and Crit in the new tier is truly depressing when our only good secondary stats are Hit, Expertise and Mastery.

3) Short term points 2 and 3 from above if not fixed. There are also several reasons why I don't PvP with Solex, but I'm sure those points will be brought up by other more avid PvP Enhancers.

what do you think of the communication from blizzard to shaman: Non-existent.

MOP you going to play this? Most likely.

If yes what PvP or PvE? Definitely PvE, the jury is still out on PvP.

You keep playing shaman or swap to something else? Too early to tell really, but it will hurt if I'll be forced to give Solex up.