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DK or Warrior for PvE DPS?
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Hey fellas! As the title says, I am wondering about the above, which one has the, averagely, highest dps! I've heard many different opinions about this, some saying DK-dps sucks, and the same about warrior and vice versa. So I'd love some real help, please! :)
I am also wondering if the DK-runesystem gets better with some haste, seeing as at level 64 I usually find myself looking for things to do except watching the autohits. :) Thanks in advance! |
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Edited by Epicly on 31/01/12 11:26 (UTC)
Well, I've never seen a warrior dps top my overall dps.. Of course there is some difference on bosses like arms warrios are insane on madness, but else i wouldnt be picking a warrior over a unholy DK
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1 Tauren Warrior
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So rolling a DK could be a pretty safe bet for success? :)
I've also heard that their tanking and overall performance in PvP and PvE is indeed better? |
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Edited by Miylee on 01/02/12 15:29 (UTC)
Depends on the fight. An unholy dk in my guild does around the same damage as me... Less on warlord, but more on Murchok. (Because his pet doesn't have to fun for the crystal)
You also have to consider your raid set-up. Arms brings a damage buff and bleed buff, but it doesn't stack with rogues and ferals. Arms also brings shattering throw, which is a raid wide buff for like 10 seconds (20 seconds since you can use it twice in 1 fight) Unholy on the other hand... Brings a brilliant defensive cooldown. Anti-magic zone is extremely helpful. Not to mention your own personal defensive cooldowns. We warriors have to sacrifise our dps in order to help the healers... DK's can just pop AMS or AMZ. |
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Warriors bring rallying cry as well, it's a pretty nice cd if raid is getting low on HP or if people need extra HP for elementium bolt of the nasty healing on blob boss HC.
Warriors doa lot of damage in DS because of the raidwise damage going out which boost our rage generation. Ultraxion is great for arms while morchock or hagara isn't as good. Some fights can be really great if the mobs are tanked right such as blob boss near mana void or the gunship wiht the two big mobs next to each other for sweeping strikes. Arms bring awesome aoe dps as well. |
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hahahahah... DK's suck? dude really.. Im topping meters on every boss.. Only deathwing i have a problem on mostly, else im doing 30-50k dps on every DS normal boss.. and about 50k on DW
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I play both classes, though my warrior is my main, and they both rock. Both top the dps charts with ease, sometimes by miles if played right.
Just have fun :) |
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ofc. dual wielded frost dk.
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Now, now ladies. Let the logs and simulations decide.
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/25H/all/14/60/default/ http://simulationcraft.org/432/Raid_T13H.html hahahahah... DK's suck? dude really.. Im topping meters on every boss.. Only deathwing i have a problem on mostly, else im doing 30-50k dps on every DS normal boss.. and about 50k on DW That's a result of you being in a group with bad dps and you having a slight bit more of a brain than the rest of them. I top the meters in my 25man raiding guild too, which has 3 casters with legendaries. Doesn't instantly make my class better though. |
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Warriors are better, much better, in high-end gear.
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Yeah right, you're topping dps due to being a skilled pro and having higher IQ than most, not because of your class being slightly overtuned or having a more forgiving rotation no no no. In fact I'll bet you top meters in spite of your class being the most nerfed in the history of WoW. Never heard that one before nope. |
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Edited by Zirien on 03/02/12 19:14 (UTC)
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/25H/all/14/60/default/ Explain this then. :) Facts > Random !@#$ pulled out of your %^-. |
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Edited by Sakkii on 03/02/12 20:11 (UTC)
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/25H/all/14/60/default/ Since the post i originally wrote was lost and i dont want to write it againt... i ll use my previous post i wrote on mage forum, where i explain why it is !@#$ to use overall dps of all fights... Just to let you know why it is BS... it basicly takes: total dmg done / number of reports... but problem lies in fact, that 70-80% of those reports come from 2 bosses, so it can hardly be overall performance, when mage performance on other bosses doesnt have any significant effect on final number in overall dps... 5000 reports on Morchok make huge effect on overall number, 200 on Warmaster have none, 1k mages on Ultraxion have little effect... Also there is not same % of reports per boss for each class... only 26% of all reports for Arms warriors come from low dps Morchok, while for Fire mages it is 43%.... and from high dps fight like Yorsahj, there is 41 % of all reports for warr, while only 24% for fire mage... And lets add example... class X - 32k avg dps on Morchok 43% of all reports , Yorsahj - 53k avg dps and 24% of all reports Class Y - 30k dps on Morchok 26% of all reports; Yorsahj - 50k dps and 41% of all Results from those 2 fights (no reason to use all fights, it is just to prove my point how it is useless): class X overall dps - 39.5k dps class Y overall dps - 42.3k dps So class X was better in both fights, yet it has way lower overall dps than class Y. |
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Absolutely all logs and simulators show that Frost DK is under the middle in dps on pretty much all encounters except from Deathwing. Coincidence? I think not.
I didn't say that you have to look at overall either, be my guest and look at specific fights. You will still find Frost pretty low compared to other viable classes and specs. My point still stands. ;) |
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Edited by Sakkii on 03/02/12 20:58 (UTC)
It is not about where we are, it is difference which matters... and difference in most reports between above average and us is very small. We are not mages and rogues, but DKs (neither frost nor unholy) are not bad in this tier. We were OP/strong, now it is someone else turn. |
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Edited by Zirien on 03/02/12 22:27 (UTC)
Small difference? In many fights the normal difference between some classes can be 5k or more. As a matter of fact if you look at the logs the difference is greater than 5k in 25man hc on every single fight except from Spine. I do not claim that DK's are so bad that we require a massive buff though, so don't make it sound like I do.
I do not mind other classes being better, as a matter of fact I love it. I am a dps wh0re so the fact that someone has a "stronger" class, better gear and I still push more dps makes me cackle like a mad man who's planning on taking over the world. Quite often I choose the underdog spec for the challenge. That is however not what this topic is about. It is about which class it is that's the best, and in this case Warriors are superior and there's nothing changing that. |
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Depends on the fight. An unholy dk in my guild does around the same damage as me... Less on warlord, but more on Murchok. (Because his pet doesn't have to fun for the crystal) Protip: Even on heroic mode there's no reason why you couldn't just stand there until you have 6-7 debuffs and then heroic leap to safety, get healed up and intercept back in. You'll at most lose 2-3 seconds of dps that way. Arms blows any DK spec out of the water atm on pretty much every fight so unless you're comparing fury to dk specs there's not much question about which is the better atm. |
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50k on Madness of DeathWing is pretty horrible. If your priests/warlocks/mages/arms warriors aren't easily breaking 60k on that fight they're doing something severely wrong and should really consider getting some help on forums or whatever. |
