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Hello guys, i just dinged 2 days ago, so don't be too harsh about enchants and gems, i am working on it, but i am out of gold atm. :)

My problem is when everyone, and i mean everyone takes a lot of damage, the whole group hp goes down slowly. Haven't tried flash healing because i rarely use it, but other than that i tried all cd's available. If my 8min wonder is on cd is pretty bad for group. Sometimes one-two members die, sometimes it's a wipe.

I am asking this because i played mainly dps, so i don't really know how much peoples bars are dropping.. In some groups i have no problems, if tank holds agro well, and melee moves out of bad stuff on ground, but other groups, same heroic..is a big mess. All melee taking loads of damage at the same time, at the point i am not sure who's tank. :P

Greater heal doesn't cut it because is slow, my aoe healing does like 10k/party member, wich is not enough. Please enlighten me, what should i do? I know my gear/gems/enchants is not good and even bad in some slots, because i repeat, just dinged. But how come sometimes, with not raid ilvl tank i do perfectly fine, and other times is horrible?

Thanks for your time and for any tips in advance. Gl and hf.

edit: oops, i just took a look at my glyphs..:) That's one thing i can improve fast.

Your PoH does 50-60k heal per cast, non crit, but don't forget Aegis (40%). In many cases Discs PoH is one of the strongest AoE heals i game atm, probably only beaten by Paladins Holy Radiance.

The oh !@#$ moments should also be combined with your PW:B and/or PI and ofc PoM's & Shields on the most needing.

09/02/2012 10:40Posted by Bashar

Greater heal doesn't cut it because is slow, my aoe healing does like 10k/party member, wich is not enough. Please enlighten me, what should i do? I know my gear/gems/enchants is not good and even bad in some slots, because i repeat, just dinged.

You ought to reforge more haste in that case, it will do wonders for your prayer of healing. As drena pointed out prayer of healing is your AoE tool so make sure to spam it hard ;)

I can see you have an Archangel spec atm, so you might want to go for the standard non-ArchAngel spec until you get use to healing as disc.

One-last thing, mitigation is what disc is centered around so make sure you pre-PoH spam or blanket the whole group with pw: s if you know there'll be incoming damage

One key thing about Disc healing is ofc that you need to be pre-emptive. Your PoH shields, so you excel best at bursty but repeated damage pulses. Say every 45s, the raid takes 5 pulses every 3 seconds. You can prepare by having Archangel up at the right time, then you can use PoH-spam, and your PoH's shields will have full effect.

You are at your weakest when all damage is taken unpredictably in one big attack with a fairly lengthy CD, as then your shields are entirely wasted.

09/02/2012 10:46Posted by Drena

Your PoH does 50-60k heal per cast, non crit, but don't forget Aegis (40%).

I dunno what have you been smoking but give me some of that too :P.
Disc poh does around 7.5-7.7k per person hit with my gear (inner fire+a flask on me). I highly doubt raid buffs would bring it to 12k per person, but then again, the OP is in blues and hardly concerned about raids I reckon. Maybe you took into consideration the glyph aswell?
And aegis is 30%, not 40%. It caps at 40% of the casters hp, which is another matter :).

@OP - As a healer you need to learn that there are types of dmg that you can and should be able to heal, there are types of dmg that you can but shouldnt have to heal, and then there are the really retarded types of dmg that you just cant heal. Once you identified if whatever is giving you headaches is something you should be able to heal, then we can talk about where there needs to be improvment on your side, but make sure you dont get stressed over not being able to heal avoidable dmg.

Your specc looks fine, the point in SoS is a personal choice I think, wouldnt say its a bad choice anyway. Your gear is fit for the old 5 man hcs - which I assume you have been slapped in and close to the minimum req for zandalaris, which lately have been slapped together with the old places. Do you have problems in a particular place/boss?

As disc you need to learn the fights and know when dmg is incoming. When you know massive aoe dmg is coming, what you can do to cope with it is pre-shield your party, cast a pom and as soon as the dmg hits, proceed to spam poh like a boss. It will generally not look impressive in terms of numbers on your screen, but remember it procs aegis and aegis stacks so if you keep spamming, you keep buffering inc dmg. You might want to glyph poh rather than barrier, that glyph is more beneficial for raids than for 5 mans, as it gives a boost to several healers there (and even in raids you still take the poh glyph and ditch the penance one, penance is a lot better in 5 mans at lower gear than in raids). Since you have an AA specc, you also want to get archangel up for poh spam (and remember to try and not pop archangel and then spam shields, they dont benefit for !@#$).

09/02/2012 10:58Posted by Dorus

make sure you pre-PoH spam

I wouldn't do that in a 5 man tbh, with 346 gear and an atonement specc. Heck, I don't spam poh only for the sake of aegis in combat even in raids. Pre-pull, maybe, if I can be arsed (which doesnt happen that often). I'm fairly sure stacking aegis at the cost of poh spam is not needed in any 5 man.

09/02/2012 11:32Posted by Saphiramoon

And aegis is 30%, not 40%. It caps at 40% of the casters hp, which is another matter :).

Sry for that:) Correction.

My statement still stands, PoH away. The 50-60k is often groups with pets aswell, a group with petowners is yummie. Oh noes, I just gave away one of my "cheat the mtr tricks".

And aegis is 30%, not 40%. It caps at 40% of the casters hp, which is another matter :).

Sry for that:) Correction.

My statement still stands.

Care to provide a screenie with you getting 12k hits on yourself with poh as disc? :P

http://oi40.tinypic.com/1jnvxu.jpg
7.7k heal+3.3k aegis+1.5k glyph heal=@12.5k per person, including aegis, with a glyph the op doesnt have and with 50 ilevels of gear over him (which equates to almost double the intelect).

PoH away. The 50-60k is often groups with pets aswell, a group with petowners is yummie. Oh noes, I just gave away one of my "cheat the mtr tricks".

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Erm, I think his problem is actual players dying, not pets or humping meters?
Soooo...you cheat the meters by stacking pet classes? brblol.jpg

Jesus Saph.

Thanks for all replies guys, you are nice.

- High Prophet Barim in Lost city of Tol'vir is an example. I got problems there with one group, and is a cake with another.
- Erunak Stonespeaker & Mindbender Ghur'sha in Throne of the tides is another spot that can cause problems.

Will change glyphs when i get home and will work slowly on that gear and enchants. Maybe i get rid of some spirit in favour of haste. Will see. Ty again.

Those are bosses with avoidable dmg: some groups will stand in !@#$ more than others. There is a normal limit to what you can do as a healer, you aren't god (at least not till you grossly overgear places).

09/02/2012 12:52Posted by Drena

Jesus Saph.

Your assumptions on other speccs/classes always make me smile :).
Was just a harmless observation, not a war statement, so lets leave it to that?

Saph! You changed guilds!

PoH layback and profit

09/02/2012 13:15Posted by Saphiramoon

Jesus Saph.

Your assumptions on other speccs/classes always make me smile :).
Was just a harmless observation, not a war statement, so lets leave it to that?

Yes, you sound very harmless:)

09/02/2012 13:29Posted by Etapic

PoH layback and profit

Yeah, just spamspam away..... WIN.

Just familiarise yourself with fights, be ready with Power Infusion for spamming PoH and make sure PoM is up as much as possible. You can even drop your Barrier for 25% less dmg if the party isnt too spaced out.

My personal tip for using PoH is to position yourself in a central midpoint around everyone and cast it on yourself.

Just familiarise yourself with fights, be ready with Power Infusion for spamming PoH and make sure PoM is up as much as possible. You can even drop your Barrier for 25% less dmg if the party isnt too spaced out.

My personal tip for using PoH is to position yourself in a central midpoint around everyone and cast it on yourself.

Awesome, i was asking miself about who would be better for poh casting, but is clear now, thanks.

Just familiarise yourself with fights, be ready with Power Infusion for spamming PoH and make sure PoM is up as much as possible. You can even drop your Barrier for 25% less dmg if the party isnt too spaced out.

My personal tip for using PoH is to position yourself in a central midpoint around everyone and cast it on yourself.

If you use a good UI, you can get extra addons to show who in the party is the best PoH target, as for WG/COH/HR cluster finders.

For Grid I use GridstatusPriestAoE

for UI on my priest i go whit http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info18667-AffinityUI.html easy pessy everything is just set to go

I'll give GridstatusPriestAoE a try since i already use grid. I managed to bind all healing spells on mouse, so i start casting very fast. Took a few levels until i managed to remember them all. :) Now that i am 85 healing tends to be very easy, like i am on autopilot or intensive hectic mana draining chaos. With some groups i need to drink after 2-3 packs, and with others only after some boss fights. Think i got in heroics with no drinking at all.

If people don't stand in green/yellow/red/black things on ground and tank is cool, i got no problems. Only in those few cases when massive aoe happens. But will try poh spam. I already cast it once before the damage spike i know will come, but after that i try to top them up with greater healing and penance.

Thanks for great tips.