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Fury - 4.3 too low dps
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Edited by Beorèn on 11/02/12 21:55 (UTC)
Hey.
i want to share my thoughts about Fury's state in 4.3, as it seems right now Fury's output is really really low , one of the worst specs in PVE atm along with Frost Mages and BM hunters and its seems the Nerf we got wasn't justified. i want to get an answer from a Blizzard representative- u said if u will see that Fury's dps will be too low u will be sure to buff us back. right now the spec is not competetive, other melee specs are far better and by a big margin. i know i can spec Arms and be competetive and i did, but i enjoy playing Fury. i dont understand - how when Fury was just abit ahead in 4.2 it was so right to nerf it and now when the spec is dead its not important to u to buff it as u said in your own words. i hope u will do something because the Fury community in really big and the spec is amazing - just not producing enough dps , and because of that we can't play the spec in advance guilds. |
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your not the only one.
what annoys me is the fact that all it would take to fix warriors is just a few relatively minor changes to there mechanist changes like increasing the proc chance on enrage, lowering the hit rate hard cap and raising the mastery base rate a point or to to make are mastery actually worth bothering with. To be honest though it seems like blizzard either have no clue what to do with warriors, are bias against warriors, or they have all there more inexperienced developers working on the warrior development team, because warriors in general have seen very little love or development, where every other class gets really interesting/useful skills army of the dead and death grip come to mind as 2 unique interesting skills, skills i wouldn't mind having as a warrior unfortunately warriors perpetually get the short end of the stick fury in particular ok i get the the whole idea of fury is the raging zerker but that no excuse to make fury warriors brainless idiots with no skills or utility where is the fun in that ? |
every other class gets really interesting/useful skills army of the dead and death grip come to mind as 2 unique interesting skills, skills i wouldn't mind having as a warrior Warrior has unique interesting skills too, such as Charge and Intercept, Bladestorm as Arms, and Fury has the unique talent to be able to equip 2 2h weapons. But, I need to agree with the Fury DPS. http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/25N/all/14/60/default/#30000 http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/25N/all/14/60/default Fury warriors are at the bottom with Marksmanship hunters, Arcane and Frost mages. Arms seem to do better, according to raidbots.com they are 4th best DPS. |
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Ghostcrawler fixed it for you...
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Edited by Beorèn on 12/02/12 13:30 (UTC)
"From what we have seen so far, Fury’s damage is still where we want it to be in 4.3. We will see how things change as more data comes in. If we think Fury’s damage needs to increase through Deep Wounds or some other mechanic, we will be sure to do so."
posted at 2.12 http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3657427725?page=4#62 we are 3 montths into the patch and 3 months before the new expention i think its the time to revert those wrong nerfs. our case is not different from the hunter case - Fury needs a Buff. i expect a blizzard representative to respond. |
we are 3 months into the patch and 3 months before the new expansion I doubt MoP will be ready in 3 months .... Like the first reply in the post you quoted said: "Good luck collecting that data, because every competitive Warrior will be respecing to Arms" - they might have a problem with collecting data for high-ilevel warriors and since they don't want to make fury OP in BiS by buffing them now without data, they just wait ... Looking at the top 100 dps HC parses (to see the maximum potential of a class): http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/25H/100/14/30/default/ you see arms has now reached its peak and stabilized, while the fury dps curve is still increasing. I doubt we'll see any kind of buff before this curve hasn't converged to its limit. On the other hand - perhaps they just closed the cata chapter and focus on MoP. Perhaps they just dont know in which direction they should take warriors. The recent blog post by GC was _very_ relevant for warriors - which can be seen by the number of warrior references in the post compared to other classes. Questions like: "Is Fury supposed to be better than arms in PvE? Should all specs do compareable dps? Should you buff a class which has a fight (Ultraxion) where it DOES shine? Do we want both arms and fury as PvP spec?" and so on... He even pandered a bit towards the warrior class with the closing remark about Wild Strikes record ... I think at least the warrior issues are at the front of their minds. |
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Why is it so important to them to nerf Fury when it was "just ahead"? (4.2) Fury wasent top back then (mages and combat was as good as Fury). Why do i need to live with their guesses?? just because they failed to predict the Fury outpot when they nerfed it i need to stuck with a spec i don't like to play? they made a wrong decision by nerfing the spec why can't they come and say "ok you're right we did a mistake" - revert the nerf. ?
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fury was nerfed a little bit but also recieved a 10% ap buff along with all melee, so baring rogues, your position in terms of the game should of improved.
from what ive seen fury does plenty fine damage and i havent read anything in this thread to convince me otherwise, just random whining. you present this idea that fury is crap, then expect us to disprove you. its your burdon to prove that fury is crap, you have to do the work in tracking down logs and raid set ups to prove fury is !@#$. the 2 main people %^-*!ing have never stepped into a heroic raid while its been relevent, so the final comment in the op about "advance guilds" has 0 proof behind it. |
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fury was nerfed a little bit but also recieved a 10% ap buff along with all melee, so baring rogues, your position in terms of the game should of improved. 1. learn to behave hero. 2. you don't have a clue of what you are saying - Fury got a 5% flat nerf and 7%-8% nerf to Deep Wounds. 3. plenty dmg? here is your proof http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/25H/100/14/60/default/ http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overall_DPS/10H/100/14/60/default/ 4. i choose not to play in this teir just because Fury is bad i don't need to be in a guild to get info. i have a site whos doing it for me. 5. don't comment if u don't know how to control yourself kid. |
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4. i choose not to play in this teir just because Fury is bad i don't need to be in a guild to get info. i have a site whos doing it for me. So... you're basically saying you are to lazy to learn how to play your own class? As for the "low dps" as fury, I don't play fury myself.. but I'm raiding casually with a fury warrior, who seems to be doing more then fine dps... |
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fury dps is "fine" i agree. its just not on par with other melee classes.
If you wanna be competitive, or you are in a progression guild, Arms spec simply pulls ahead of fury in most cases. This seems to continue till you are at least in 403/410 gear. I did expect a little buff with the last patch to bring fury a bit more up to make it more even with other melee and arms. Sides like raidbots i wouldnt use as proof as such. I tried fury last night (398 ilvl, 2x gurth normal, possibly if you check my armory im still in fury spec/gear). I didnt manage to keep up with my guildies ps. its true, beside the flat 5% overall nerf they did a "fix" to deep wounds (which never made it to patchnotes) that took it down by 7-8% even more. |
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No, i chose not to play in this tier as a warrior because i don't enjoy playing Arms i enjoy playing Fury. im actually good as Arms but i don't play the game because i need too i play because i want to and because i enjoy it. i like the idea of being a warrior with double 2 handers im sure im not the only one. i'd suggest we will stop to discuss on me and discuss the topic. |
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Edited by Bethrezen on 13/02/12 14:00 (UTC)
Warrior has unique interesting skills too, such as Charge and Intercept, Bladestorm as Arms, and Fury has the unique talent to be able to equip 2 2h weapons. I don’t know about that Charge and Intercept while useful don't work properly against moving targets in both pvp and pve, and despite there claim that they fixed these skills I still hear reports on the forum that jump bugging is still possible if a little more difficult. As for LOLStorm that would be interesting if I wasn't so easily negated by being disarmed seriously what a joke for a 31 point talent, might as well remove LOLStorm and replace the talent with one that removes the cool down from WW for a short period and amps up WW damage and allow it to be used in battle stance so that you don't need to stance dance to zerker to get the extra damage boots, at least then if you get disarmed you still got a couple of options. @Holyfire I assume you have never played a fury warrior ? well as you can see I do and I can tell you that fury warriors damage is not where it should be, we are behind every other melee class granted are dps isn’t bad by any means, and no one is making that claim, what we are saying however is that fury's dps is not on par with other melee classes, which is where it should be and that was blizzards intention, therefore fury needs a slight buff to bring us up back up because we have been over nurfed. Ok I'm only running rounds in level 384 gear but, by my reckoning I should be doing about 2 or 3 k more dps then what I can do, at the moment I'm lucky if I can maintain 25k dps, however I should be able to maintain somewhere between 25k and 30k dps, though admittedly that’s only a rough guestimation base on what I have seen other similarly gear players do, though I'm sure there are other that can confirm that this is about right. On the other hand - perhaps they just closed the cata chapter and focus on MoP. you wouldn't happen to have a link to that article would you ? |
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Edited by Wrimp on 13/02/12 14:32 (UTC)
No, i chose not to play in this tier as a warrior because i don't enjoy playing Arms i enjoy playing Fury. im actually good as Arms but i don't play the game because i need too i play because i want to and because i enjoy it. i like the idea of being a warrior with double 2 handers im sure im not the only one. i'd suggest we will stop to discuss on me and discuss the topic. You could play fury and be just fine as long as you're not in a guild pushing for progress with heroics. In that case you're probably right you would have to be arms to do your best possile dps. |
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[quote] my guild is progressing through HC content (5/8 hc) so it is relevant. |
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if the heroic progression would be relevant to u, then instead of crying and whining u would change the spec (even for a bit different within arms or fury tree even if u have it already) just to make it a bit stronger before each progress boss. Well, that is something that any thinking player would do to give best effort regarding his group, as it always will be that some spec is better for some boss, but worse on other, and there are fights where fury is ahead of arms, like spine for tendon dps burst where tg fury is superior to arms by far. besides i saw some1 dualvielding gurthalaks, which is waste of the weapon, ghurtalak procs from offhand so minimaly that it doesnt even change overall tentacle uptime much, u should use any other weapon from the instance in offhand, or heroic sulfuras if u happen to have it and dont have access to hc ds weapons just yet.
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Edited by Blagomils on 14/02/12 09:49 (UTC)
as to regards to normal DS, only because u are fury won't make the difference between killing all bosses or failing badly, what will be deciding factor is if your group members, including you, will be able to take care of boss mechanics or not, and thats it. the little difference that there might be between arms and fury wont make any impact on that.
PS and i do raid actively with both specs, i have two warrior chars that i use for raiding and i use arms as main dps spec on one and fury on other, just to have practise with both specs and not to get rusty. |
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If only there was an easy way to go arms..
Seriously though not all specs can be near top and you actually have one very good dps spec stop whining. |
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Edited by Beorèn on 14/02/12 10:14 (UTC)
no one is whining or crying, so stop with your stupid comments.
i just care about Fury state which is really bad atm. im not going to write everything again because its seems u guys havent read my previous comments. Blizzard said that they will examin Fury when "more data comes in" and they will buff us if we fall behind. Atm Fury falls behind - its not a competetive spec. so i ask blizzard to make Fury competetive again. if u look at the DK state both Unholy and Frost are competetive, ~15% nerf is too much. im asking to be viable for raiding again as Fury. and again this topic is not about me its about the Fury spec so relate to the topic. |
