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Hey everyone, given that the majority of Cataclysm is now behind us and Mists is on the horizon I though now would be a good time to compile some solid constructive feedback regarding PVP throughout the Cataclysm expansion. The purpose of the thread is just to convey the critical information about what we as players both liked and didn't like in Cataclysm's PVP and what we really want to see changed or improved for Mists.
(Quick disclaimer: For those that don't know, I and other MVP's are just regular players like yourself, we don't work for Blizzard in any way. I am organizing this feedback purely as a member of the community.) Keep it respectful, as articulate and to-the-point as you can manage, and most of all keep it constructive. The better our feedback the better our chances of making a positive impact on the upcoming expansion, so if you really want things to improve, put in some good effort here. This is of course a feedback thread so what you write is up to you but here are some things I would recommend AVOIDING: Concerns with the balance of a particular class or spec, balance is going to significantly change in the expansion due in large part to the new talent system, so balance feedback is better saved for the beta. Requesting that Blizzard respond to your concerns about something, the purpose of this thread is to bring our feedback to them, not the other way around. Non-constructive feedback and trolling, again it is important that we provide high quality feedback here if we really want to see our most important issues addressed in game. If you are unsure how best to write it all down, here is a feedback template you can use: What are your biggest PVP related quality of life issues? (Things that are an inconvenience but don't significantly affect game play or balance) What Cataclysm BG changes/additions did you like? What Cataclysm Arena changes/additions did you like? What Cataclysm General PVP changes/additions did you like? What are your top issues with Battlegrounds in Cataclysm? What are your top issues with Arenas in Cataclysm? What are your top issues with General PVP in Cataclysm? What already announced Mists PVP changes/additions are you most looking forward to? (here is a summary of what is coming: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3424795794 ) ________________________________________________ PVP Forum MVP My PVP Blog: Battlemasters.org |
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This is copy from US forums. All thanks goes for Eldacar. I hope people will check the US forums and keep discussion civil and post some creative stuff.
Orginal thread http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3967948445?page=1 |
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Pve trinkets in pvp such as vial of the shadows(it got nerfed in 4.3.2) overall using pve items in pvp is kinda silly in my opinion |
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New battlegrounds (Twin peaks/Battle of gilneas) Didint bring anything new in cataclysm. New bg's in MoP seems promising so far but i hope that blizzard will make stand out even more from old bg's |
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Edited by Lightmane on 01/02/12 17:50 (UTC)
What are your biggest PVP related quality of life issues?
the pve BG's such as AV IoC and SoTa i dislike these because i join BG's to do some player vs player and end up fighting gates/bosses and barely get any pvp at all :) What Cataclysm BG changes/additions did you like? the two new BG's was very fun i found the LoS on twin peaks and battle for gilneas very useful it stops me having to stand max range so i don't get chain CC'd. i liked the setting of the maps they was made to look very interesting. I also prefer these BG's because they're small scale so you don't get ganked by alot of people every 2 seconds, they are easier to understand and lead than trying to lead a EoTs for example. (a shame i didn't get to do rated BG's with them throughout cata properly did them about 4 times due to a short supply of descent pvpers on my realm) What Cataclysm Arena changes/additions did you like? change to vial of shadows + vengeance What Cataclysm General PVP changes/additions did you like? the new BG's. (i've heard you can queue rbg's with real id friends now? this is a good change if true) What are your top issues with Battlegrounds in Cataclysm? people not listening making IoC a free win every game for alliance ( not much can change about this though) also IoC and SoTa are so boring sitting in vehicles bashing 2 buttons at a gate then killing a raid boss.. ugh What are your top issues with Arenas in Cataclysm? pve items in arena RoV no reliable LoS + all the damned bugs! the thing is imo this arena would probably be good if the pillars just stayed up What are your top issues with General PVP in Cataclysm? counters in general.. i don't like the fact that in some cases a player can be 10x worse but still win due to the class or setup they play people getting 1shot What already announced Mists PVP changes/additions are you most looking forward to? world pvp focus new bgs talents so you don't have to be x spec for x or x spec for x |
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What are your top issues with Arenas in Cataclysm?
Ring of valor is such a horribly place as the pillars keep moving up n down. + And because of the pillars you cant charge if someone is standing on pillar even it is lowered |
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Edited by Paxxar on 01/02/12 10:28 (UTC)
What are your biggest PVP related quality of life issues?
Excessive burst damage, PvE Battlegrounds and Bots in Battlegrounds. What Cataclysm BG changes/additions did you like? The addition of Twin Peaks which has rapidly become my most loved Battleground. What Cataclysm Arena changes/additions did you like? None really, but due to the state of the burst damage these days I thank jeebus they removed Heroism. What Cataclysm General PVP changes/additions did you like? I did like the implication of RBG's, great fun to play, and War Game BG maps. What are your top issues with Battlegrounds in Cataclysm? Bots and too many PvE variables. What are your top issues with Arenas in Cataclysm? Excessive burst damage, and as always with every expansion PvE legendarys/weapons and trinkets. What are your top issues with General PVP in Cataclysm? Again, Burst damage and lack of reward for skill in PvP. In wotlk every 100 rating mattered to get the gear, now any brainless halfwit can mess about and get full arena gear. What already announced Mists PVP changes/additions are you most looking forward to? New Battlegrounds, as I'm interested how they will work, a new arena which isn't RoV, a hopefully breath of fresh air for World PvP and new talent tree's which look very promising PvP wise. |
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I requested sticky from this thread,hopefully we get the most active pvp forum lurkers here :)
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Edited by Ryll on 02/02/12 03:47 (UTC)
A few points will be repeated so bare with me!
What are your biggest PVP related quality of life issues? (Things that are an inconvenience but don't significantly affect game play or balance) It feeling too grindy, and craftable sets don't really fix the issue of having to do a lot of random pvp before being remotely viable for arenas. Bots, as mentioned, and generally gear gap between people. As far as random BGs go, healers often decide if a team wins or loses, which irritates me. What Cataclysm BG changes/additions did you like? Battle for Gilneas was slightly refreshing. Twin Peaks not so much; The rest didn't change, and I'm just glad they didn't ruin anything as they did with AV! What Cataclysm Arena changes/additions did you like? - What Cataclysm General PVP changes/additions did you like? Resilience trinkets with stat boost being generally superior in PvP (Shut up, Vial!). What are your top issues with Battlegrounds in Cataclysm? Gear gap - when a player in full 390 vendor gear meets someone in 333 blues, there is simply no chance to win; The grindy feel of it, as in having to do a lot of random pvp to be remotely viable for arenas / RBGs. Healers deciding if a battleground is lost / won. pve side of things in AV, Strand of the Ancients and Isle of Conquest (PvP = Player Versus Player, not Tank versus Wall or Players Versus Boss!). What are your top issues with Arenas in Cataclysm? 2v2 being a dead bracket, 1v1 being even deader; Healers being too powerful and near every team with one would best a team without one in 2s, 3s and 5s alike. Inability to properly participate in arenas without getting a full set of battlegrounds gear. What are your top issues with General PVP in Cataclysm? Healers, healers, healers! I remember the time when health meant something, when healers had minor healing and you had to guard them with your life, because there was no other way to regain health in combat. I think allowing every class some self-healing was generally a step in the right direction, but by god is it annoying that a resto shaman can survive against 3 people beating on him and not lose any mana, even going as far as killing them... Mostly of old age but hey. Other than that, immunities (paladin bubbles and mage ice block in particular, as well as interrupt eaters such as priest inner will or paladin aura mastery) are irritating, and I think there's too much emphasis on Crowd Control, making classes that have more of it (Warlocks, Shamans, Mages, Rogues) dominate everyone else in both solo and team play. The health-pool inflation was a disaster - it did not fix 'burst' issue, it simply made us repeat the same burst we had before 3-4 times, which didn't really make things better for certain classes (hunter, warrior), making them generally a worse choice over someone who can sustain their burst / cc with less rng involved; Huge health pools is one of the reasons why healers became a nuisance - having to heal a raid full of 150-160k hp people does not work well with 40+% reduced damage on both themselves and people they heal in PvP. Class balance - my main issue here is that some of us have to bind every key possible plus buy a razer naga with 17 extra buttons to execute all of our macros, just to be in line with everyone else. I understand MoP will tidy my bars up, and I can't wait but I still worry for it. What else... Guards being overpowered? Fixed with Pandaria. Generally I'd like more things that affect YOU rather than OTHERS - such as Hand of Freedom, for instance, being used on a warrior turns him into an unstoppable killing machine, which would make buffing Warriors right now a fairly bad idea. Solution? Make those things self-buffs, or perhaps not give players immunity and in turn give them some other self-used thing to break free. I understand paladin is a support class and all that, but really, that 'support' ruins experience for us who cannot get their hands on one - or so it feels. What already announced Mists PVP changes/additions are you most looking forward to? Nothing. Experience taught me not to have expectations, so I just pray they'll not ruin my class again! |
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What are your biggest PVP related quality of life issues? (Things that are an inconvenience but don't significantly affect game play or balance)
The long queues, wait time inside the arenas, something cool to fix that would be something like if you type /ready in the chat it starts a timer if evrybodys typed it. What Cataclysm BG changes/additions did you like? Litterly none, there's nothing good in the PvP part, the new Resiliance is just aweful, the new BGs are just remake of old boring BGs, Mana free heals I mean really? Oh wait I have one thing, the first season of the arenas I needed to be good to manage my mana, that was fun but then scaling did to much. What Cataclysm Arena changes/additions did you like? The first season was great, 4.0.6 was a great patch & had some fun competetion even though my spec was terrible. What Cataclysm General PVP changes/additions did you like? See above. What are your top issues with Battlegrounds in Cataclysm? They are remakes of boring old BGs. What are your top issues with Arenas in Cataclysm? The long queues made it pointless to play unless it's the last weeks of the season, make all BGs be able to get instant pops against other BGs. What are your top issues with General PVP in Cataclysm? Mana not being a skill to handle as you said it would, evryone does to much damage, PvE gear is dominant becuse of how you changed Resiliance to not reduce crits. What already announced Mists PVP changes/additions are you most looking forward to? Hopefully a non terrible expansion PvP wise, in WoTLK we had instant pops for arenas nomatter what time at the day we queue, now I have 8 minute queues during peakhours on wednesdays. |
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Mostly, my opinions have been covered by other posters so I won't bother.
Here's one. What Cataclysm General PVP changes/additions did you like? The fact that PvP gear resets for EVERYONE in the beginning of a new season, meaning that people who just started playing and the people who got high ratings (past 2200) start from the same spot gear wise each season. This, in my opinion eliminates one of the biggest factors causing imbalance in pvp, the gear gap. For example, I started trying arenas in wotlk on my ret pally, full furious geared, and faced only full wrathful teams (2 tiers ahead), I'm not saying I could've won even if they had the same level of gear as me, but it would've been one less factor making it an impossible match. Point is, someone new joins the game and happens to be really good at it somehow, and he has equal chances of succeeding (gear wise) as the veterans do. And to the good players, I know this might %%%!!%!@ you off since it seems like casual qq, but remember, you still get your better gear than the average joes like me. For me atleast, the best fights are those that come down to skill, I don't enjoy beating a guy in greens nearly as much as I enjoy winning/losing to an equal geared player with the winner only having 2k hp left. PS. sorry for the ramble. |
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What are your biggest PVP related quality of life issues? (Things that are an inconvenience but don't significantly affect game play or balance)
What Cataclysm BG changes/additions did you like? The new battlegrounds didn't add much to the game, BfG looks like AB, Twin Peaks is a copy of wsg. Hopefully the bg's in MoP will add something new to the table (I'm looking forward to the DotA-like bg!) What Cataclysm Arena changes/additions did you like? The removal of Heroism was a good thing. The absence of Ring of Valor arena in season 9 was good as well, too bad they put it back in later. What Cataclysm General PVP changes/additions did you like? Splitting the effect of Colossus Smash to 50% in PvP and 100% in PvE. These kind of changes is what this game desperately needs. What are your top issues with Battlegrounds in Cataclysm? I don't have issues in battlegrounds, I find that the gear differences in cataclysm are much smaller than those in WotLK, which is just awesome. What are your top issues with Arenas in Cataclysm? There have been some imbalanced classes the past few seasons, but the Legendary PvE gear and the trinkets from DS raid (cunning of the cruel, bone link, vial of shadows) have completely ruined this season. And I'm not the only one with this opinion, just look at Dalrian's huge thread about PvE items in PvP: this has been the biggest issue in cataclysm PvP. What are your top issues with General PVP in Cataclysm? 1. Legendary pve gear in RATED pvp. I have absolutely no problems with Legendary gear in world pvp, random battlegrounds, or even war games, but they don't belong in Rated. Unfair advantages do NOT contribute to a competitive environment in any positive way, hence I think Legendary weapons should be banned from Rated pvp. 2. The removal of Skirmish Arena. While I must say that War Games are pretty awesome, they did NOT replace skirmish matches. No clear reason has been given for the removal of skirmishes, which greatly disappoints me. I hope that the game developpers will learn from their mistakes of the past. I know that the primary focus is not on PvP in this game (this is not League of Legends) but I still hope that they manage to make PvP more enjoyable in MoP. |
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Low level bg's can be pain if you are playing other class than rogue. Upcoming resilience change hopefully fix it. One possible change could be that class like rogue would get more spells to deal damage,that may fix the issues that rogues 1 shot people with heirlooms in low level battlegrounds |
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Best expansion ever, every class took alot more skill to play then other expansions (see: Frost dk's, Frost mages, Holy paladins, etc).
Also it was very balanced, every time there was a bug it didnt take them 6 months to fix it! |
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What Cataclysm BG changes/additions did you like? I definitely share this feeling but I do prefer Battle for Gilneas :p Could you elaborate on this one further, what about it makes it your most favourite battleground? Be sure to give some nice fleshy answers everyone so that we can see what it is that you liked, disliked and most importantly, why. ^^ |
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Edited by Jex on 01/02/12 17:48 (UTC)
What Cataclysm BG changes/additions did you like? I suppose the reason why we love Twin and guilneas and absolutely hate (to the point where if I get them via random battleground i leave instantly) Isle Of Conquest and Alterac Valley so much is that they involve killing bosses. Killing bosses is PvE, if we are doing PvP do we want to be also doing PvE? no. Also they are very complecated where as capturing a flag is nice, simple are really fun. |
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And i am sorry if this isnt in right forum section :)
and like my second post says this is copy from us forums ;p if this isnt in right section maybe a blue poster can move it o: |
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What Cataclysm BG changes/additions did you like?
Twin peaks and battle for Gilneas are my favourite battlegrounds. What are your top issues with Battlegrounds in Cataclysm? I hate alterac valley, Isle of conquest and strand of the ancient |
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What are your biggest PVP related quality of life issues? (Things that are an inconvenience but don't significantly affect game play or balance)
Bgs with vehicles, class homogenization, pve gear What Cataclysm BG changes/additions did you like? Twin peaks is ok, though its a wsg copy.. hated the wsg graveyard change, it made it worse. What Cataclysm Arena changes/additions did you like? Did I like Wargames? nope, tried it once never again, WHY CANT WE HAVE SKIRMISHES? What Cataclysm General PVP changes/additions did you like? None to be honest, s8 in Wotlk felt almost perfect, with the exception of legendarys and BiS trinkets... Classes felt unique, Haste was a good stat.. balance was great. Then everything all of a sudden blew up in s9. What are your top issues with Battlegrounds in Cataclysm? Vehicles. What are your top issues with Arenas in Cataclysm? Finding teams as a warrior. Skirmish no longer around makes it boring.. What are your top issues with General PVP in Cataclysm? Everything feels so dumbed down that its ment for dummies.. like for example.. Blind removing dots with glyph, same with polymorph, vanish giving 3 sec immunity etc Homogenization within classes pretty much did it for me in Cata, all classes just feel so dull to play. What already announced Mists PVP changes/additions are you most looking forward to? The uldum arena, yaaaay... |
