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Kul Tiras is currently reading as High Pop thanks tot eh New Player Flag for a short time.

I am now actually having trouble getting logged into my main. So yeah.. KT isn't dead far from it. How sociable the people can be is a different matter however.

But to come back and announce this server as dead, because your guild or the guilds on the realm couldn't offer you the progress that you, personally, wanted and then blame the server for it, is a bit of a joke. As I mentioned before, in the end it all depends on what your expectations of this game are, whether you find it worth working hard for it, let progress slow down for the sake of a community that has been running for over 7 years. And we simply find it worth working for it. Just because you quit this realm, doesn't mean that we have to or that the server is dead for progression.We killed Ultraxion on 25 heroic last night, and according to WoW Progress we are the 575th 25 man guild in the world to do so and nobody was carried. Sounds boring to you? Sounds fine to me :)

People their personal motives/feelings have nothing to do with facts. I and many see it as a fact that KT was dead (on horde at least). There is one guild that progresses, and then a couple with a few kills on hc. That's it. If you compare that with most other realms (and you have to substract the progress of the guilds that left), progression wise KT is dead. If you log in at night on KT, orgrimmar is empty. You need to be lucky to join a BH run during off hours. The AH misses a whole bunch of goods. PVP is close to non existent. Pugs are close to non existent. It's not cause your guild works fine in your opinion and full fills your expectations that the server ain't dead.

15/02/2012 17:25Posted by Aradroth

I stay here for the people not the loot, now if you want loot feel free to leave but i think zenga that KT wasnt the place for you and thats fine but please dont try to add to the problem by stating that we are a dead server.

Why wouldn't KT have been the realm for me? I enjoyed it for over 2 years. And still a bunch of alts that I play now and then. If KT wouldn't have been a dead place I'd still be there with my main(s). I really don't see how stating that KT is a dead realm is 'adding to the problem'. Because it's simply a reality cq true fact. If you want to ignore that, that's your problem.

16/02/2012 17:57Posted by Zënga

Why wouldn't KT have been the realm for me? I enjoyed it for over 2 years. And still a bunch of alts that I play now and then. If KT wouldn't have been a dead place I'd still be there with my main(s). I really don't see how stating that KT is a dead realm is 'adding to the problem'. Because it's simply a reality cq true fact. If you want to ignore that, that's your problem.

With respect Zenga, and I sincerely mean that, calling KT dead is not a 'true fact'. There are other servers struggling with far greater problems than we are.
I take it by saying KT is dead you are talking in terms of progression? In that respect I would argue that that is mainly due to all the players who prioritise that aspect of the game jumping ship long ago and accumulating with other like minded people on servers such as Kazzak.
I think that is what Ara meant by saying it wasn't the server for you; you obviously wanted to progress further than most guilds on KT can offer, and that is fair enough, it's your right to play this game however you want to, towards whatever ends you wish.
It just feels a bit misleading to declare the server dead when there are so many of us still here, and more importantly, still enjoying ourselves on this realm.
In the end this is a game. If people don't like this server they can and will leave. A lot of us are happy staying..why does that seem to bother so many people who left? You don't need our validation.. just enjoy yourselves wherever you are now:)

and btw I checked your armory, gz on 7/8:)

go zenga :D! that is all the best thing they can do for the realm is allow free transfers from outland,kazzak to there since outland and kazzak are stupidly full but they wont do much more hey its a company at the end of the day......

problem?

its also nice to see the old faces on this forum it quite strange seening people still commenting on here even thou they moved well of the realm including myself but i still like to see what the goss is on kul trias :D!

Its funny to see everyone trying to write maturely and have a discussion over the problem.
But the truth is that you are just trying to get back at eachother for leaving the realm and switching guilds or having more progress then what others ones writing have. Its pathetic yes indeed

Now im just waiting on some stupid reply from kayal or zenga w/e trying to act like thats not how it is

Its funny to see everyone trying to write maturely and have a discussion over the problem.
But the truth is that you are just trying to get back at eachother for leaving the realm and switching guilds or having more progress then what others ones writing have. Its pathetic yes indeed

Now im just waiting on some stupid reply from kayal or zenga w/e trying to act like thats not how it is

Deathwhite, why hide behind level 1 alt? :)

Its funny to see everyone trying to write maturely and have a discussion over the problem.
But the truth is that you are just trying to get back at eachother for leaving the realm and switching guilds or having more progress then what others ones writing have. Its pathetic yes indeed

Now im just waiting on some stupid reply from kayal or zenga w/e trying to act like thats not how it is

Deathwhite, why hide behind level 1 alt? :)

Who says im hiding?

With respect Zenga, and I sincerely mean that, calling KT dead is not a 'true fact'. There are other servers struggling with far greater problems than we are.

Well it's not because chick B is uglier than chick A, that chick A can't be really ugly. I don't see how the state of servers that are even worse; make KT any better. People might have different meanings with 'dead' though, and maybe 'nearly dead' is a more appropriate qualification. But essentially it means that the server is at a low.

I take it by saying KT is dead you are talking in terms of progression? In that respect I would argue that that is mainly due to all the players who prioritise that aspect of the game jumping ship long ago and accumulating with other like minded people on servers such as Kazzak.

It's not progression only. In theory a server could be in a healthy condition with x amount of guilds that neverget further than morchock heroic. Tried to explain in my previous post that it's wider: you can see it in the amount of pugs, the availability of stuff on the AH, the number of baradin holds, etc ...

16/02/2012 19:08Posted by Eïrlys

I think that is what Ara meant by saying it wasn't the server for you; you obviously wanted to progress further than most guilds on KT can offer, and that is fair enough, it's your right to play this game however you want to, towards whatever ends you wish.

That's not even true. I was perfectly fine to play in a guild with the same progress as katastrophe (or nox in the past). I left because there was nothing to do in the times i tend to be online (and for some other reasons). But that doesn't really matter.

It just feels a bit misleading to declare the server dead when there are so many of us still here, and more importantly, still enjoying ourselves on this realm.
In the end this is a game. If people don't like this server they can and will leave. A lot of us are happy staying..why does that seem to bother so many people who left? You don't need our validation.. just enjoy yourselves wherever you are now:)

I would turn that statement around: why are people upset cq take it personal when other people state dry facts about a frigging server? And again the fact that the server is considered dead by so many players has nothing to do with your enjoyment. When playing my low level alts I kinda enjoy the empty world as well. But that doesn't tell anything about the state of the server. Best proof imo is that blizzard qualified it as an empty server lately, recommended for new players.

16/02/2012 19:08Posted by Eïrlys

and btw I checked your armory, gz on 7/8:)

Cheers mate, and gl with yours too.

21/02/2012 02:52Posted by Zënga

Well it's not because chick B is uglier than chick A, that chick A can't be really ugly. I don't see how the state of servers that are even worse; make KT any better. People might have different meanings with 'dead' though, and maybe 'nearly dead' is a more appropriate qualification. But essentially it means that the server is at a low.

From what I can read Sporregar horde has a dizzying 80 people on line at peak times, can't pug BH10 and barely have any guilds left, let alone ones making any progress at all.

When you compare KT which, to use your analogy, is a fairly plain looking girl (I do admit), she looks a lot better next to the gomper that is Sporregar.

21/02/2012 02:52Posted by Zënga

It's not progression only. In theory a server could be in a healthy condition with x amount of guilds that neverget further than morchock heroic. Tried to explain in my previous post that it's wider: you can see it in the amount of pugs, the availability of stuff on the AH, the number of baradin holds, etc ...

I've never had a problem getting a baradin hold on any character I've wanted to go there on:) I'll agree that there aren't too many pugs that go on, and that the AH horde side at least isn't as thriving as it used to be, but I've recently been levelling JC and mining on an alt, all the stuff I needed was on the AH, I just had to consider the prices involved lol (unless that is your point? We have the items available but just ridiculous prices for them all)

21/02/2012 02:52Posted by Zënga

That's not even true. I was perfectly fine to play in a guild with the same progress as katastrophe (or nox in the past). I left because there was nothing to do in the times i tend to be online (and for some other reasons). But that doesn't really matter.

Well that I can understand, tending to be a night owl myself, there isn't much going on when I'm online either, I'm just lucky; I suppose that a good number of my friends (or people that have become my friends) are online at the same time. So while the server isn't all that busy while I'm on, I am:) Which perhaps skews my perception.

21/02/2012 02:52Posted by Zënga

I would turn that statement around: why are people upset cq take it personal when other people state dry facts about a frigging server? And again the fact that the server is considered dead by so many players has nothing to do with your enjoyment. When playing my low level alts I kinda enjoy the empty world as well. But that doesn't tell anything about the state of the server. Best proof imo is that blizzard qualified it as an empty server lately, recommended for new players

Well I've just been levelling another Paladin and since the New player recommendation (which last time I checked had been removed) the world isn't so empty anymore. When I first started on KT 2 years ago there was nowhere near the same number of characters in all the different areas I've been in recently, but nobody declared the server dead then.

It seems a lot of servers have been having similar difficulties and people have been flowing from a lot of them to 3-4 servers which then artificially increases their perceptions of other servers and how bad their previous server was. If you compare Kul Tiras to Outland, or Kazzak or Auchindoun of course we come off lacking. Those servers have a much heavier concentration of players.
Compare us to the multitude of realms which see their populace constantly in a state of flux, and I would argue that we are typical. The amount of threads on other realm forums along these lines is starting to indicate that the amount of lost subscriptions is being felt all over, not just on Kul Tiras. It just seems that a lot more people on KT (horde at least) felt the best solution was to move elsewhere. Which obviously exacerbated the situation.
If Blizzard had removed the ability to server change a year ago, people might be grumbling that the server was quieter, but there would still be a lot of players around, it was only due to the perception that our server was dying, and that the grass was greener, which caused such a mass exodus as we have all seen in the last few months.

21/02/2012 02:52Posted by Zënga

Cheers mate, and gl with yours too.

Thanks, feels like a long way since I started raiding with you guys in SoS lol I can't believe you even took me looking back on it :P 25 man's are a lot more fun imo, just harder and more work, but I'm loving it here:)

Edit; Just saw you got Hc Deathwing:D Gz!

Won't get into any of the debate that's been happening above. However, I can say with absolute certainty, that I am once again enjoying my time on WoW. Having moved has so far been a fantastic experience and I don't regret it at all. Good luck to all on KT and hope things pick up.

Hope this comment was stupid enough for Deathwhite. Id hate to disappoint such a lovely person.

@ eirlys

I'm going to refrain from an endless 'server is empty' vs 'its not' game. Points have been made, it's up to you how you validate them. All I can say is that many guilds were unable to recruit, due to lack of players on KT and due to it not being an attractive realm to get players transfer over here. One by one those guilds either disbanded, shrink down in size or eventually transferred away, because there were no other options. That's all there is to say, really.

Well hopefully see you around sometime anyway Zenga:) For me the server isn't dead, lots of active friends here, and a guild that I love. I understand others don't see it that way, I just disagree.

Might make a character on Kazzak to see what all the fuss is about:P But I won't be transferring lol

Hmm I stil need to find a guild to put all my alts in ...

22/02/2012 13:32Posted by Destroman

Hmm I stil need to find a guild to put all my alts in ...

I have quite a few on KT, for 1k per day I won't kick you.

http://tinyurl.com/6bnf6om

trolling can be really bad, for the troll. yes talking to YOU, Zenga. :)

http://tinyurl.com/6bnf6om

trolling can be really bad, for the troll. yes talking to YOU, Zenga. :)

Thanks for addressing me in capitals, but as far as I know I'm not connected with any royalty. Good troll attempt though from you.

ahh, well you missed the whole point, not entirely unexpected tho :)

Lol Zenga , sadly I dont have gold on KT to give you :)

23/02/2012 06:02Posted by Destroman

Lol Zenga , sadly I dont have gold on KT to give you :)

Hehe no worries, how are you doing over there mate?

Doing pretty good, its a pretty decent realm, its like what KT was like 2 years ago only a bit better, there is always sumthing going on, aiming for 7/8 hc next week , hagara is a real bi@tch on 10man. How are you doing where you are ?