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So we have a blue post - see the copied form below -

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shouldve just started a feedback thread the same as that guy instead of making a pointless one asking why it was only happening there D:

That was created by an MVP, not a Blizzard employee. Dalrian has been making a lot of 'Constructive' threads recently, they're essentially the same thing. Although it may be nice to get a sticky dedicated PVP Feedback thread for Cataclysm, hint hint Dalrian.

I was hoping someone would repost that, the thread was posted in the battlegrounds section, so basically all the suggestions are suggested around BGs, not arena. But oh well, some of the ideas in there might be good.

OK - I thought that, not being a green, it would be ignored and lost under a swelter of OProgues/nerfnow threads, but if not... here goes:

The green on the US thread said it much better than I could. And I'm pretty new to PVP as my armoury will attest, so other than that I hate rogues (see above), I haven't got much to say yet - the learning curve is pleasantly steep, but it's not impossible. (I'm hugely happy that we can gain CP in the unrated BGs - for those of us who have to plead to be on the guild's rated team, it's a good way to get a foot on the ladder)

That apart, here's what was said on the US intro:

Hey everyone, given that the majority of Cataclysm is now behind us and Mists is on the horizon I though now would be a good time to compile some solid constructive feedback regarding PVP throughout the Cataclysm expansion. The purpose of the thread is just to convey the critical information about what we as players both liked and didn't like in Cataclysm's PVP and what we really want to see changed or improved for Mists.

(Quick disclaimer: For those that don't know, I and other MVP's are just regular players like yourself, we don't work for Blizzard in any way. I am organizing this feedback purely as a member of the community.)

Keep it respectful, as articulate and to-the-point as you can manage, and most of all keep it constructive. The better our feedback the better our chances of making a positive impact on the upcoming expansion, so if you really want things to improve, put in some good effort here.

This is of course a feedback thread so what you write is up to you but here are some things I would recommend AVOIDING:

Concerns with the balance of a particular class or spec, balance is going to significantly change in the expansion due in large part to the new talent system, so balance feedback is better saved for the beta.
Requesting that Blizzard respond to your concerns about something, the purpose of this thread is to bring our feedback to them, not the other way around.
Non-constructive feedback and trolling, again it is important that we provide high quality feedback here if we really want to see our most important issues addressed in game.
If you are unsure how best to write it all down, here is a feedback template you can use:

What are your biggest PVP related quality of life issues? (Things that are an inconvenience but don't significantly affect game play or balance)
What Cataclysm BG changes/additions did you like?
What Cataclysm Arena changes/additions did you like?
What Cataclysm General PVP changes/additions did you like?
What are your top issues with Battlegrounds in Cataclysm?
What are your top issues with Arenas in Cataclysm?
What are your top issues with General PVP in Cataclysm?
What already announced Mists PVP changes/additions are you most looking forward to? (here is a summary of what is coming: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3424795794 )

What are your biggest PVP related quality of life issues? (Things that are an inconvenience but don't significantly affect game play or balance)
2v2 its casual leave it how it is. (maybe add a healing debuff every 5 7.5 8 9 10 mins.
Pvp that does not really focus on pvp (Strands / AV / IOC)

What Cataclysm BG changes/additions did you like
Twin peak / GY change in WSG It was a nice new bg, felt like wsg but bigger.
The GY change was nice, giving you more time to get around after you kill them . Sadly warrior / priest can still charge / grip up to save time and save themselves. Good tactic if used correct.

What Cataclysm Arena changes/additions did you like?
There has not been a new map so I cannot really comment on this. The ring of valor change was nice but meh, lacked the face to face effect the old one had.

What Cataclysm General PVP changes/additions did you like?
Rated battleground was a nice idea. Gives guilds more thing to aim for when finished with PvE and offers slightly nice rewards. It felt like a live raid vs real players and not scripted AI bots.

What are your top issues with Battlegrounds in Cataclysm?
For myself personally I would love if you could pick 2 types of Battlegrounds. Objective ones and “Battlegrounds”
AV does not feel pvpish along with Strands and IoC the objective requires you to use minimal pvp skills and that brings the fun right out of it.
Would it be to much to offer to have pvp that was Player vs player like arena just on bg maps with a time limit or kill cap to win. First team to get 20 / 50 / 100 kills wins. For me this would make pvp truly pvp. You could offer pvp and pvp objectives? Even flag capture with only 1 flag in the middle of the map. even last man standing

What are your top issues with Arenas in Cataclysm?
Lasting to long and dragging it out for 45mins. Lower the time or add a debuff to make it faster.

What are your top issues with General PVP in Cataclysm?
Bring back more halaa type things BH was to distant but the idea was nice

What already announced Mists PVP changes/additions are you most looking forward to?

Will wait and see about this one

Why can't I report the blue posts for spamming?

this.

01/02/2012 17:20Posted by Mírion

Why can't I report the blue posts for spamming?

Funny you say that. I picture them sitting in an office back to back sending emails to talk to each other ^^

OK, nobody else seems to be in here, so here are some random thoughts... more later, I'm sure.

Battlegrounds. I've only recently started Rateds (and had to move from H to A to find a good guild that would let me run) and so in the switch from H-> A I've noticed how much easier some maps are for Alliance. Battle for Gilneas is the main one . It's oustandingly easy to run from the spawn point/GY to the WW if you're alliance - and no need to cross the water.
Once we have one or two people there, we have sitting ducks in the water unless they have ways to cross it that don't leave them floundering. And allies don't start in that bloody ship. How many people have I seen fall off those ladders? Dozens. I hate them (In what is otherwise a good BG)

AV - I'm exalted w the AV faction and I still don't fully understand this BG, but it does seem a lot easier to get to the end as Alliance than it ever was w horde. Mind you, getting up the Horde towers is a lot harder so if I were ever likely to go up there, I'd probably hate it.

Heirlooms. I hated them until I had some. Levelling in BGs without is just... horrible. Which means that as PVP officer of our Horde side guild, I had real trouble persuading people that PVP was fun. Even those who have multiple alts had spent an hour or two in BGs in their alt-youth and never returned - massive, massive negative reinforcement (actually, in the 4 quadrants of behaviour, I think this counts as +ve punishment in that it is applied and it reduces a behavour. This is a game. It's supposed to be fun. Dying to one-shot rogues and hunters is not fun).
(Kind of like the reason I haven't done any raiding is the memory of a 4-hour WC way back in 2006. I don't have time for that - never went back and now don't dare to. Who's going to teach a level 85 how to raid?)
I don't know how to address this, and maybe the point is that people don't do PVP until they have heirlooms, but for those of us who live for it, it's.... strange.

What I really like is the fact that I could begin to get a toe on the CP ladder in the random BGs. They may be frustrating as hell, but we do win some and it makes a huge difference to be able to go to a good Guild with at least some decent gear. Big tick there.

As a priest, I'd like to play Holy, but nobody will go for it - it's deemed a 'PVE build' - I guess if I got good enough in the randoms, I could perhaps push the point, but I'm not that good of a player. Which seems a pity - Holy plus Shadow OS would be fun.

That's it for now. I'm sure there's more. Thank you for gracing the thread.

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So many blue posts brain explooo..

it's already active on these forums!

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3313031774

What are your biggest PVP related quality of life issues? (Things that are an inconvenience but don't significantly affect game play or balance)
Buffs at the battle ground graveyard, could buffs persist through death in Battlegrounds (only the ones that are available to your team ie: no stacking every buff possible before you go in/ similar to arena)

What Cataclysm BG changes/additions did you like?
Battle for Gilneas - i think this is currently the best battle ground in the game, The game play is similar to AB but because there are only three nodes the pvp action is more concentrated and its allot easier to get players to respond to inc's. It also don't last forever - its very nicely timed if one team can hold two bases to does not drag on.

What Cataclysm Arena changes/additions did you like?
I don't arena that much and would not like to comment on something I don't understand fully.

What Cataclysm General PVP changes/additions did you like?
The removal of rating from Arena gear and the addition of Conquest points to BG wins, i can now slowly grind my way to pvp happiness.

What are your top issues with Battlegrounds in Cataclysm?
I play a warrior

What are your top issues with Arenas in Cataclysm?
See above

What are your top issues with General PVP in Cataclysm?
I can deal with class imbalance - i cant deal with my priest never being able to get a cast off because I have a melee on me. The number of interrupts / disables / stuns / cc is too much in my opinion.