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Sub Rogue vs Frost Mage 1v1
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Hi, I know duelling isn't balanced but I heard that Sub Rogues vs Frost Mages are a pretty even matchup, but I'm having trouble knowing what to do against them. I tried duelling one earlier and this is how it basically went down:
Open with Garrote, Mage then Novas. I vanish the nova and open with Cheap, Mage blinks and deeps. I trinket the deep then have to cloak to get close to them again, then I have no cooldowns left and I'm unable to do anything. Also, is there a bug with Water Elemental? I swear it kept hitting me after I vanished. |
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Open with CS or Ambush. Garrote is a bad opener.
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1 Human Warrior
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so cheap > shiv > kidney + garrote + shadow dance?
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Edited by Eléctrica on 13/02/12 19:17 (UTC)
Not really.
If blink: Cheap > shiv > (blink) > shs kidney > garrote when kidney ends If no blink: Cheap > shiv > garrote > shiv (shiv doesn't last long on mage armor) ShD is very situational. Use it when you can put out a few ambushes for sure. Alas on a stun or something. |
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Dont forget blind when they get you in a nova and are close enough. Happends to me all the time, priceless to screw up their snares by eating a full nova, hooray for diminishing returns. That way you can save cloak for ring of frost or deep freeze.
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Edited by Freakyhead on 14/02/12 00:21 (UTC)
Try having crip psn on main hand, helps ALOT specially if glyph'd, even fire mages can't escape it
*use premeditation before open* Open with cheapshot on mounted mages Open with ambush if you want to burst them after vanish Open with garrote/hemo only if you have crip in main hand and glyph of crip DO NOT OPEN WITH GARROTE IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT Other tips *Keep trinket for deep freeze *Try to combine kidney shot together with shadowstep *If the mage gets away and have blink ready and you are in a very bad position, use dance+step+garrote fast, then stun and burst *you may use smoke bomb to avoid sheeping *Kick when you get a chance *try to keep recup up *talented recup is huge bonus *if mage trinkets your stuns, make sure you use blind+gouge/sap properly to give time for your step-cd to load and to heal up with recup *vanish novas with sprint *prep resets shadowstep, double step can catch mage offguard |
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You can just keep it on OH and use shiv ofcourse..
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Shiv shares GCD though, so It's not the same. If you keep it on MH it will proc the second you open. |
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Just shiv when you open.. Putting anything but crippling on your offhand is a complete waste because of the bad procrate ><
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Or you could just use mind numbing on main hand, start with sap, open with garrote without breaking the said sap, then shiv. Putting crip on main hand sounds too vanilla to me.
Then again my advice is probably outdated, don't listen to me. :D |
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Or you could just use mind numbing on main hand, start with sap, open with garrote without breaking the said sap, then shiv. Putting crip on main hand sounds too vanilla to me. Doing that puts every single form of control you have on DR. Bad idea. However, you should use MN. |
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Edited by Xavast on 14/02/12 11:26 (UTC)
Or you could just use mind numbing on main hand, start with sap, open with garrote without breaking the said sap, then shiv. Putting crip on main hand sounds too vanilla to me. Yeah, guess it is less about the mad openers and more about a gameplay I don't quite enjoy nowadays. Gone's the days of having expose armor up before even the sap part ends. :-( Oh well. |
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Edited by Freakyhead on 14/02/12 11:54 (UTC)
the point of opening with garrote is to burst the hell out of the mage within 5 seconds of silence, if u are going to waste 35 energy and global cd it doesnt quite achieve the desired effect |
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What if the mage petnovas you? |
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Edited by Freakyhead on 14/02/12 12:49 (UTC)
Mages gets crippling instantly and if the rogue is sitting right intop of him, that would be a waste of nova, if the mage somehow manage to gain little distance you can just kidneyshot
if you feel its good timing Usually the mage will try to get away and he eventually does but not before you cut good chunk of his life The nova event is guaranteed and when it happens there are few options - vanish+sprint and continue bursting - cloak+sprint and burst on - wait for deep freeze, trinket n burst on I prefer the second one specially because even top mages panic at that point and waste deep freeze or somethink else, but don't use same pattern because it will make you predictable. |
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Mages gets crippling instantly and if the rogue is sitting right intop of him, that would be a waste of nova, if the mage somehow manage to gain little distance you can just kidneyshot He pet novas you and manages to get out of range. You lost your entire advantage. He pet novas you and you manage to kidney him, he blinks. You lost your advantage. Crippling's proc chance is not 100%. Putting it on your Main Hand doesn't guarantee a proc. You are going to waste a vanish when your stun/sap and silence are all on DR? What you are doing is not only dangerous but also stupid, excuse me. |
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Edited by Freakyhead on 14/02/12 14:00 (UTC)
Sure, did i mention i actually beat the top frost mages in my server witch are 1 tier of gear above me and much much higher ratings ? And please don't say they are bad because they are just as surprised in the end of the duel as is your pessimism.
I am not telling you how to play, use my methods if you wish. I felt the OP needs some tips so i did share my exp. |
