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Atonement not proccing Heart of Unliving
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Just something I noticed, although Smite & Holy Fire aren't -technically- healing spells, they're still used as healing spells, so it's just a bit odd they don't proc HoU. It's not that it's hard to keep up Stacks as Renew and PoM will stack it, but just wondering if it's working as itnended?
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/facepalm
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It's a perfectly legit point, go facepalm elsewhere. Smite & Holy Fire an Atonement priest's main filler the same as Holy Light was yours before Blizzard reduced Holy Paladins to the Arcane Mages of the healing world.
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No, it's not a perfectly legit point. Smite/Holy Fire are damaging abilities - they only get a healing side-affect thanks to talents, so I'll keep facepalming right here, thank you.
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Atonement deals damage while it heals, you get mana and increased healing from archangel and can be used to heal people inside the frost tombs on hagara. But you say it doesn't proc heart of unliving!? this needs to be fixed, this ability is broken.
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It was just a suggestion, you don't have to get all emo about it. |
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It's mostly a case of the buff from the trinket being pretty short duration. For normal healers that just heal, its something you dont even have to look at, since you will always cast a healing spell in 10 seconds. As a smiter myself, it is sometimes a bit cumbersome to keep up but it really just takes a bit to pay attention to it: I made myself an aura that warns me when its at less than 5 seconds so I can weave in healing spells. It's actually quite easy to keep up if instead of shield+pom (as I was used to, since pom is preserved inside the shield until it breaks) you just shield and delay the pom for a smite or two casts. If you add a penance to keep grace up, you might find that this trinket actually improves your "goodgame", since I'm tempted to let grace fall of many times if I'm just smiting.
But yeah, the aura helped a lot. You don't realize how short 10 seconds are. |
pls, everyone knows you use it on cd. Nah but it's used! Also looks very nice, might be why! |
It's mostly a case of the buff from the trinket being pretty short duration. For normal healers that just heal, its something you dont even have to look at, since you will always cast a healing spell in 10 seconds. As a smiter myself, it is sometimes a bit cumbersome to keep up but it really just takes a bit to pay attention to it: I made myself an aura that warns me when its at less than 5 seconds so I can weave in healing spells. It's actually quite easy to keep up if instead of shield+pom (as I was used to, since pom is preserved inside the shield until it breaks) you just shield and delay the pom for a smite or two casts. If you add a penance to keep grace up, you might find that this trinket actually improves your "goodgame", since I'm tempted to let grace fall of many times if I'm just smiting. Pretty much sums it up ^^ |
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Edited by Teru on 10/02/12 01:09 (UTC)
It's less of an issue for me, as I normally interleave Penance or PoH during Smite spam; but I do think it's a rather silly oversight.
Granted, neither Holy Fire nor Smite are healing spells; and granted, Atonement is a proc in itself and - technically - a "side effect" to those damage spells; but for all intents and purposes - Atonement replaces Heal for an A/A priest. It is our low-damage healing spell, and we spend quite a number of talent points to make it so. And so, in this special case, even if common sense directs otherwise; I still believe it's unfair that Atonement is treated as anything but a healing spell. It should proc Heart of Unliving. |
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And so, in this special case, even if common sense directs otherwise; I still believe it's unfair that Atonement is treated as anything but a healing spell. As you said, it is an effect not a spell, so that's why it doesn't have to proc HoU.
Thats right. You're dping and healing at the same time - isn't that enough? |
Atonement healing has pros and cons like any other spell: sure it does dps and heal same time, stacks evangelism, which in turn can be used for archangel, its got a shorter cast time than Heal, but it's also random - so unreliable, it doesn't apply grace, it doesn't shorten weakened soul, it doesn't refresh renew, costs more than Heal in terms of mana (and sure some of it is returned via archangel, but that is a completely different ability with talent points invested in it), it didn't benefit from any of the tier bonuses that Heal benefited from, until 4.3 it was useless on bosses with huge hitboxes, and it still requires a certain range to work, also, requires 1 mandatory major glyph, it is considered a healing spell on bosses like yorsahj so you cant use it even if the way it works is basically similar with beacon of light (an indirect proc from a direct ability). I'm not complaining about the ability not working for the trinket, but it does feel sometimes that the spell is rarely benefiting from any healing spell advantage, because it apparently is not considered a healing spell, but when it comes to disadvantages, it is considered a healing spell (eg Yorsahj). They should make up their minds and classify it somehow: if it is a healing spell, let it benefit from healing spells advantages, if its not, then it's not, and don't make it a healing spell when those have drawbacks. It's not like AA speccs are even that popular. |
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I can complain for majordomo hc, where one simply 1900 mana does 140-150K crit (5 stacks of evangelism). I haven't tried holy there, but probably it's the best spec there, isn't it? Also my (your) way to dmg+ heal is called SoL, so if you're using atoment spec, you get more than me, so it's a whine, because you can refresh your HoU with inst, free of mana (this should be only for holy) FH. I can say that on Yor Lightwell Renew provides a stack of debuff, but it is an effect, not a spell (simply I don't have any control on it). Also I agree blizz cannot decribe what they want or what they have done, so players have to figured out it. AT the end, don't use HoU - it wasn't supposed to be used by dpriest or rdruids. |
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Edited by Saphiramoon on 11/02/12 12:27 (UTC)
I've never really seen smite hitting for 150k tbh, not even on halfus, but both are gimmick fights, and if for halfus it did make a difference, I wouldn't say it did so much for majordomo. The hc version of that boss required so little healing, that it didn't matter: do you actually need 150k heals there? No, there is nobody taking that kind of dmg. Disc was a good specc for it, but the boss was just as well doable without one. Nothing prevented you from picking evangelism and the glyph as holy and do some dps. The other healers were bored anyway. Also my (your) way to dmg+ heal is called SoL, so if you're using atoment spec, you get more than me, so it's a whine, because you can refresh your HoU with inst, free of mana (this should be only for holy) FH. Never took SoL as disc, even if I am atonement specced. There are simply better choices than some !@#$ random flash heal. I'd rather have that point in a bit of extra haste or reduced cd on fiend. Atonement is an expensive specc points wise - you pick up 5 talent points only for it, you don't really have the luxury to toss around a lot more. Not sure why do you think I'd get more procs than you either, I smite to charge up archangel generally, in lighter dmg phases, not for the vast majority of the time. And no offense but if I wait for the %^-* proc chance of SoL from smiting to refresh my HoU, than that trinket will stay forever useless. I definitely do not get a proc every 10 seconds. I'm personally refreshing it fine via PWS/pom, since I have to cast atleast 1 PWS every 12 seconds for rapture. I can say that on Yor Lightwell Renew provides a stack of debuff, but it is an effect, not a spell (simply I don't have any control on it). Try having holy fire adding 5 stacks instantly for a 25k overall healing. As for the control part, I dont see the problem, ppl just have to not use it? Not like its a line formed behind lightwell usually anyway :D, ppl are not THAT crazy about it. Also I agree blizz cannot decribe what they want or what they have done, so players have to figured out it. That was my exact point. Make up their minds. You either label it as a healing spell and then you treat it the same way Heal is treated, or you label it as an indirect proc and you treat it like beacon of life is treated. I'm not really bothered about the Yorsahj matter, I killed the said boss with an atonement specc and it was fine, I was just pointing it out for the sake of the example. AT the end, don't use HoU - it wasn't supposed to be used by dpriest or rdruids. It's a healing trinket, and last I heard we are still healers. I would defo not have taken it if it only had the stacking spirit crap, but since it does have int too, its decent. It allows me to reforge out of spirit in other parts of my gear. I just dont have any better options atm, my HoU replaced a normal mode Jaws, and I dont spam that many shields to make good use of that one. I installed an aura to help me with the uptime and its pretty easy to keep up even when smiting: as said, I need to shield atleast once every 12 seconds anyway for rapture and instead of PWS/pom now I just cast PWS/2-3xsmite/PoM/2-3 smite etc. I dont spent THAT much time smiting anyway. |
