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blizz abandoned pve elem/enh shaman
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ultraxion
http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Ultraxion/25H/100/14/60/default/ blackhorn: http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Warmaster_Blackhorn/25H/100/14/60/default/ spine: http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Spine_of_Deathwing/25H/100/14/60/default/ madness: http://raidbots.com/dpsbot/Madness_of_Deathwing/25H/100/14/60/default/ 1. Elem/enh is yet again doing crap dps compared to pure dps classes , so it's benching time again for shamans ... i'm wondering if there will ever be end-content i'll get to play as elemental shaman ???? Blizz has stated that they want as much pp to enjoy end raiding-content. I'm wondering how will this ever happen, if guilds need to stack high dps specs/classes in order to progress ? It has become clear that i need to reroll another main ... good thing i have a mage/hunter/priest ... but i'll surely miss my elemental shaman ;-) 2. Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker) Dev Watercooler -- The Role of Role http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/ EXCUSSES EXCUSSES EXCUSSES for just doing nothing about the problem .... i'm sure this watercooler dude doesn't play an elem shaman ... probably a mage .... yes ? no? |
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yes ele shamans are wank we know, let's hope blizz changes this
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madness is a spellweave problem
spine, depends on your tactic ultrax: yes we suck there, some overloads don't hit exc blackhorn: depends on your tactic tbh |
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Enhance's problems in PvE i've encountered are mainly due to just melee being an issue:
such as on Blackhorn u want ideally 0-1 melee and 2 is overdoing it and most groups have a combat rogue for cleaving. Ok admitedly we suck on Spine but meh i dont mind being subbed for 1 boss. And Madness if i point to the world first kill... top dps was a enhancement. Ok now i know these guys are bad to point to because thats an isolated incident but just sayin'. And in my raid group (10 man) i'm often 1st-2nd dps and this is with people with legendaries :) So if you are !@#$%ing about Enhance then you have a L2P issue. period. |
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I'm just starting to realize this is just a FAIL game...
Answer me this; what's the point of making a pve raiding environment that's totally focussed on personal and group competition/progression, if it's not balanced? Don't give me that crap that shaman class is doing fine ... on ultraxian hc our dps is like 15-20% lower then the top-dps on that fight ... And also don't bring up that stupid argument 'they can't balance it' ... that's just crap ! They doing this on purpose ... Yes! mr. dev. watercooler; make everybody in this game equal ! THEY CALL THAT A FAIR GAME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ... they should atleast make an effort to balance the dps specs on the hc-mode bosses ! but yeah ... in mop shamans will suck again... they always do ... |
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Edited by Carrigan on 15/02/12 10:12 (UTC)
Elem/enh is yet again doing crap dps compared to pure dps classes , so it's benching time again for shamans ... Ok, so this is the point where your argument falls apart - you lack data to support this claim.
To counter your argument, to what context are you comparing it to claim it is not balanced? In other words, compared to which RPG/MMORPG or ideally subset of the genre is WoW not or less balanced in it's PvE-design? Balance is a relative thing - it cannot be absolute in gaming terms (the human factor prevents this). So you need to provide a context in which it isn't balanced. One which cannot be discarded by Blizzard by showing thousands of DPS Shamans completing the place on heroic. (so it'd need to be on a level where you can provide the game-impact without having to rely on "Cannot do the content", because that's just wrong, people are doing it)
You realize this is just as bad design as say, balancing it for RBG-PvP? |
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Yeah bro, im top dps in my guild on that fight as Enhance, thats what happens when you play well. Play badly and im sure people get into your position. |
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I don't know if you are trolling or not Lorux, but if you can manage to pull more dps than your other raid mates, it can only mean that either they are a bunch of noobs sitting in mediocre gear, or they just don't give a crap about the dps, but rather about clearing the content.
And don't give me the daily BS about this, because Dragon Soul is easy, and I actually managed to boost 2 guys with no more than 18k dps on 3 heroic mods and full normal. I told y'all long ago, specially on ultraxion, that without some major RNG and without the darn retarded fire elemental, we are mediocre at best. Whatever I do, I cannot pass the 45k dps barrier. I don't know why I feel like blizz hasn't got enough employees working into the development department, but they should fix it soon before their !@#$ gets snapped and they go even more down the shame-slope. I love this game, but I hate the development and the feedback for our requests. I have a raid today, but I don't even know If I want to play anymore, and I just came back after 1 month of pause. I regret I actually payed for another month ( actually I payed because I had a mail that was about to expire ) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks's_law |
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Elemental is !@#$ing awesome at the moment. You all suck :D
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Edited by Solex on 15/02/12 14:06 (UTC)
Now, I could be totally wrong here, but is it possible that people like Copperkop with over 40 heroic DS kills might have a slightly different perspective and insight into Elemental than you do with your 7/8 LFR DS experience? Anyway. although I would probably put it in perhaps a different tone, what Biomaster says about comparing to your fellow raiders is not the best comparison one can do. I'm keeping rather even steps with my fellow Rogue friend in my raid group. Does that mean he could do better? Does it mean I'm very good at what I do? It's hard to know really. The only thing I know is that it says absolutely nothing about what state Enhancement is in at the moment. It is simply too little data to draw any reliable conclusions from. I have been blowing pretty much anyone I have raided with since TBC out of the water, regardless of their class/spec, even during times when Enhance was in pretty bad shape, so I am confident that I am both an able player, and know most inns and outs of the spec I play. But I am also the first one to admit that I haven't been in any really competitive environment. So the fact that I still do it doesn't really say much, but with the experience I have of Enhancement, I "feel" that we are currently in a better shape than we have been in a long long time, despite some of the issues we have discussed over and over on these boards. |
That only applies to projects that are already late. Not only that, but it gets beaten down by the real world circumstances, which no theory nor law can anticipate, let alone regulate. |
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Actually, from working as a Developer (right now, well, in a way :P ), I can tell you that it very very much applies to Software Development. You can't just throw manpower at something. Doesn't work. If you have 2-3 good people working on it, let them take their time, the final result is better than if you try to EA it by putting a whole team onto it and then dissolving them afterwards. |
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Elementals have problems but we obviously are not that bad.
Issue is that there's always another class/spec that is better then we are on any type of the fight. And yeah, Madness is just not spellweave/multidot problem but +haste scale aswel |
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... a guildmember told me recently:
'stop comparing your dps with other classes/specs .... just try to be competitive against your own class/spec ...' That's a nice thing to say ! but; i still think blizz should balance the game better ... I hope this is something MOP will bring us ... |
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Edited by Falko on 16/02/12 22:22 (UTC)
Whoever is saying enh is doing fine nowadays is wrong. Check WOL if you need proof. There is only one fight where we can compete. Ye, the AOE one, which is just LOL.
We still don't scale properly, don't have proper CD's, no burst. Do you realize that haste has less EP for us than STR!? Enough said. I'm as devoted toward enh as someone can go, but slowly giving up hope. Spec is seriously broken... For the Nth tier now. Will MOP fix it? Sure it will. Just as Cata did. |
Cata fixed nothing, just added some stats and complicated mechanics, there is ( mean development guys) no idea about fire nova, searing totem, lava lash. If they earn money for this- they should have their wages -20% since entering of Cataclysm. |
