World of Warcraft

I was thinking, was his arrogance his downfall? Not literally, I know he died at the hands of SS3 Thrall using his Kamehameha and all that.

But... Why did Deathwing wait until the final encounter to channel his 'final cataclysm'. I can take a good guess why; game mechanics and the fact that WoW doesn't have a game over option.

So, let's run down some scenarios. DW could have attacked us when he unleashed Ultixion. There's no way we could survive the wrath of both of them without casualties (referring to either the aspects or Thrall here).

DW could have started his 'final cataclysm' while we were fighting Mor'Chok. In fact, if DW didn't spend 99% of this expansion corrupting dragons he would have had better odds. Funny, that considering all those Twilight Members, Ascendants, Drakes, Nefarian, Onyxia, hell even Sinestra. Funny to think that he stood a better chance had he not re made them.

Then again, this would have been a really short expansion had he not.
So I think I answered my own question here, the fact though is that all this makes Deathwing seem a lot less terrifying than he really is. He's portrayed as nothing but a big fat arrogant dragon that can't seem to rip the world in two again.






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In fact, the only time that this has been pulled off correctly is when we explore a new realm i.e Outland. Makes sense for Outland to have a bunch of crazy stuff we never seen before, but something like what DW did was only a stall war to make this expansion last longer.

Deathwing could've killed us on day one, razed Orgrimmar, Stormwind etc before we even knew what was happening.


But that would've ended the Warcraft saga so they decided he was just insane and flew off instead because they didn't want to reduce his power level as they feared that would make him look 'less epic'.

Mhm. Before you catch the boat to Vashj'ir to start that quest chain there are some soldiers talking on the dock. Two of them are talking about Deathwing. One of them comments on how he could have 'Destroyed the entire city' to which the other replies 'I wonder what drove him off?"

I found that particularly interesting. If Deathwing could have wiped out Stormwind, and they could have done nothing about it... Why didn't he? Is he so stark raving mad even the sole task he has been given by the Old Gods, his hell bent mission to destroy, has got scrambled? Was there a shred of goodness in that molten mind of his? Or did some asofar unknown force scare him off, as the Soldier suggested?

The way I see it there's three main ideas why he didn't just kill us all straight away:

1. He has a good side not wanting to do it.
2. He thought he could just keep us alive so he he could make us suffer more.
3. He's utterly crazy.

I like the idea that there might be 'good' in him still. In fact, isn't there a quest in Deepholme in wich you have yo collect Deathwing's blood samples, and find out if there is any of 'Neltharion' left?

I recall hearing somewhere that it may have been he was simply too arrogant to take mortals as a threat, and so just sent them a message by nuking the world and blowing up the park.
Of course, that might not be true, but considering how powerful he was it wouldn't be surprising if he thought the mortal world powerless to resist.

15/02/2012 06:26Posted by Arthaban

I like the idea that there might be 'good' in him still. In fact, isn't there a quest in Deepholme in wich you have yo collect Deathwing's blood samples, and find out if there is any of 'Neltharion' left?

I find it highly annoying really if thats the case.

Why didnt the Lich King just kill us all?> He had some good left in him

Why didnt Deathwing just kill us all?> He had some good left in him

Whats next? Why didnt Sargeras just kill us all?> He had some good left in him?

He destroyed the park and the city elves calming his rage making him unable to cast anymore attacks.

Don't try to back blizzard up with the 'there's good left in him' card. Already been used on LK, not another main villain to use it on!

Um Lich King didn't have any good in him. The reason he didn't instantly kill us is cause he was testing us. At the end of encounter he does 1 shoot us all cuz we were annoying. But then came the savior Tirion with Ashbringer and broke Frostmourne.

He was really testing us? Why would someone let there best commanders and heroes die just to test us?

Worlds worst strategy? I think so.

He was really testing us? Why would someone let there best commanders and heroes die just to test us?

Worlds worst strategy? I think so.

He could just raise them again. Also, if we managed to beat his best soldiers, then we'd be a greater weapon than them and so it would have been worth it.

15/02/2012 14:27Posted by Unholyftw

Um Lich King didn't have any good in him. The reason he didn't instantly kill us is cause he was testing us. At the end of encounter he does 1 shoot us all cuz we were annoying. But then came the savior Tirion with Ashbringer and broke Frostmourne.

While this is true, there was some good left in him. Arthas was still in there holding back the Scourge from slaughtering everyone. Kinda sh*tty ending imho.

Still makes no sense Aerilon, why not send all his best soldiers etc to kill the heroes and then raise them? that way he could find out if they really are strong or not anyway and if they aint strong then there is no loss anyway.

Lich king and ashbringer is like superman and kryptonite, they shouldn't let the rare weakness get near them in the bloody first place. Tirion knocking on your door? Close the dam gates! Saronite fortress would take ages to get through.

Only sense I can make of it is if Arthas was inside the lich king still and was getting lonely and needed some living people to talk to.

There's no indication that Deathwing could cast "the final cataclysm" before he was struck down by the Demon Soul and transformed, by the old gods, into the mindless elementium monstrosity at the very end.

In other words, no, I don't think DW could've just destroyed the world any time he wanted.

Furthermore, the only time DW was ever truly undermined by mortals was in the awful BEYOND THE DARK PORTAL book, where Khadgar solos him in the dumbest way possible.

Every other time he was defeated, it was either by other aspects or by his own insanity. Hence why destroying stormwind and the like wasn't his top priority.

He was really testing us? Why would someone let there best commanders and heroes die just to test us?

Worlds worst strategy? I think so.

The power of bad writing, really.

Deathwing didnt take mortals as a threat and he wanted us to see the Chaos coming onto this world in the Hour of Twilight so he didnt kill everybody nor destroyed Stormwind immediatly.

The reason he did not do the Final Cataclysm before the final battle is because that would destroy the world completely. He doesnt want that, he wants it alive and be recreated to his and his masters will.

Lich King didn't have any good in him that was destroyed a long time ago. The reason he didnt kill us is because he wanted us stronger and test us in the final battle. He then kills us all easily and goes to start and ressurect us as his new Champions. But Tirion stopped him on his tracks.

On the why let them kill your Commanders. It was a Test, if my strongest weapons kill your Strongest weapons arn't my strongest weapons stronger then yours? If he had ressurected we would have been the new commanders.

What scared deathwing off from destroying SW was the mysteriouse source of blizzard still likeing the susbcription fees?

Deathwing didnt take mortals as a threat and he wanted us to see the Chaos coming onto this world in the Hour of Twilight so he didnt kill everybody nor destroyed Stormwind immediatly.

The reason he did not do the Final Cataclysm before the final battle is because that would destroy the world completely. He doesnt want that, he wants it alive and be recreated to his and his masters will.

Lich King didn't have any good in him that was destroyed a long time ago. The reason he didnt kill us is because he wanted us stronger and test us in the final battle. He then kills us all easily and goes to start and ressurect us as his new Champions. But Tirion stopped him on his tracks.

On the why let them kill your Commanders. It was a Test, if my strongest weapons kill your Strongest weapons arn't my strongest weapons stronger then yours? If he had ressurected we would have been the new commanders.

That actually could have worked, had Blizzard not implemented this brilliant(the sarcasm here is so huge, im sure you can feel it if you touch the screen) 'plot twist'

'Without the Lich King, the Scourge will go rampant and destroy the world'

If the End Time instance was done properly all these questions would have been answered!

Deathwing didnt take mortals as a threat and he wanted us to see the Chaos coming onto this world in the Hour of Twilight so he didnt kill everybody nor destroyed Stormwind immediatly.

The reason he did not do the Final Cataclysm before the final battle is because that would destroy the world completely. He doesnt want that, he wants it alive and be recreated to his and his masters will.

Lich King didn't have any good in him that was destroyed a long time ago. The reason he didnt kill us is because he wanted us stronger and test us in the final battle. He then kills us all easily and goes to start and ressurect us as his new Champions. But Tirion stopped him on his tracks.

On the why let them kill your Commanders. It was a Test, if my strongest weapons kill your Strongest weapons arn't my strongest weapons stronger then yours? If he had ressurected we would have been the new commanders.

This does change the perspective a bit, making it more logical. But at the same time making it kinda lame lorewise for me. If only Deathwing actually acted insane, not a dog on a very lenient leash.

15/02/2012 14:18Posted by Tsukimajin

I like the idea that there might be 'good' in him still. In fact, isn't there a quest in Deepholme in wich you have yo collect Deathwing's blood samples, and find out if there is any of 'Neltharion' left?

I find it highly annoying really if thats the case.

Why didnt the Lich King just kill us all?> He had some good left in him

Why didnt Deathwing just kill us all?> He had some good left in him

Whats next? Why didnt Sargeras just kill us all?> He had some good left in him?

Although i know and am of the same opinion that it was bad writing i think its not that farfetched.

In Spine HC we get a buff called Blood of Neltharion that refer to the last will of the Earth Warder.

So yhe, DW still has a smallllll goodness in him

Lich King didn't have any good in him that was destroyed a long time ago. The reason he didnt kill us is because he wanted us stronger and test us in the final battle. He then kills us all easily and goes to start and ressurect us as his new Champions. But Tirion stopped him on his tracks.

On the why let them kill your Commanders. It was a Test, if my strongest weapons kill your Strongest weapons arn't my strongest weapons stronger then yours? If he had ressurected we would have been the new commanders.

That is a lame tactic when you can raise whoever you want from death. Why test and risk dying if he could just kill them first then raise and test whilst they are under his command.

It's a terrible and rushed plot but then again no dungeon or raid shows anyone even moving when their citadels or fortresses have been invaded.

Deathwing could have and should have destroyed certain capital cities, it would have surely reeled in more followers from fear but instead we get he is stupid or insane.

Bored of all villains and heroes showing huge power that can only be used when it fits the writer, you can tell the writer controls the story rather than the story guiding the writer, this means they should not just write what they want but rather write what actually fits in and makes sense in the world they create.

please no more "he was testing us" about the LK....