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I am truly sorry if this looks like a hate towards hunters but it's always hunters doing this.



I am getting pretty fed up of hunters.

Being quite a good team player I'm always making sure the healer has enough mana or is ok with me pulling a large group of mobs. Before a boss/large group of mobs if the healer is lowish mana I simply ask:
"Healer, need a MB?"
And sometimes ofcourse the healer will just say "MB"

after either of this there seems to be a short pause and...

BOOOM!!!

This seems to be the auto cue for a hunter to start pulling... even if the healer has already sat down for his/her MB he still goes off and starts pulling?!

The hunter will then die, and straight away he/she will blame me with phrases such as:
"Learn to tank mate" or something a bit more childish like "TAKE AGGRO FFS!!@!"

Now I am not the sort of player who gets angry if someone else makes a mistake I'm also never the first one to rage quit an instance but when players are literally this stupid it does annoy me. Oh and it gets even better sometimes he runs back with mobs for me to then tank and the healer to finish his/her MB 1/4 the way through.


Now I'm not hating on hunters at all, my friend recently started playing and we never have this problem. I'm also not saying it's all hunters, but It seems to only be them doing it.

My guess is other casters see this as there cue to also take a manabreak therefore this doesn't really apply to them.

I'm also aware these are low level instances and are very easy to complete, so why make it a lot more difficult by doing this?


This may sound more like a thread to support healers but I always get the blame if the hunter dies. Surely he should wait for the healer considering pulling is not his job anyway?

I'm afraid you've just stumbled upon some of the (rather numerous) impatient DPS the Looking For Group system has to offer.

They do not know and/or care about tank and healer mechanics. These people are only interested in one thing: finishing the instance as quickly as possible.

You could try votekicking them, but if that doesn't work you can't do much about it except for trying to scramble for aggro or leaving.

Very rarely am I in the mood for the former, so I usually AFK out in those cases. I will not let other people ruin my gameplay experience like that.

I have this problem aswell. Today i was in BRC (Blackrock Caverns) and we were at Karsh Steelbender. I pulled the first conflagration that walks around him and we killed it fine. But i knew that if i pulled the second conflagration then it would pull the boss too so i wanted to wait until it moved around again but the hunter decided that he would pull it, and guess what, he pulled the boss too and we wiped. Then the hunter spams the chat with 'OMG WTF! Why u pull boss and trash u retard!!!!!!!!' We kicked him and everything was fine :)

Anwayz.........i totally agree. Its always the hunters that pull when they're not meant to (which is 99.999999999% of the time). It just makes it so hard to tank because all of the dps have the aggro instead of me which i should have if i was able to pull.........

Trust me, it's not just hunters 8)

15/02/2012 01:06Posted by Hazelol

Trust me, it's not just hunters 8)

It's definitely not just hunters, and I'm speaking as both a hunter and a tank (DK) :)

Hunters are very good at accidental pulling because of their instant attacks. You don't get a cast time interval to realize you're targetting an un-pulled mob. When I just started doing dungeons as hunter I used to accidentaly pull all the time. Lower dungeon level = lower player experience = higher accidental pull percentage. Most people will be too embarrased to admit an accidental pull and would therefore blame the tank for their own mistake.
The only times I do pull first is after applying Misdirect to the tank and multi-shooting the mobs. If you see a hunter doing that you should congratulate them.

On the other hand, taking and keeping aggro is so easy nowadays, you shouldn't be having any trouble picking up a ninja-pulled mob. I know my dungeon grinding has become much faster since I started letting everyone pull whatever they want without complaining. Tbh, it's more fun (and challanging) that way, too :)
You should use ninja-pulling situations as a tanking practice ooportunity. Worst case scenarion you die and pay the 3-4g repair bill. At least you won't get blamed for lack of trying.

The hunter will then die, and straight away he/she will blame me with phrases such as:
"Learn to tank mate" or something a bit more childish like "TAKE AGGRO FFS!!@!"

My suggestions it to answer with: "learn your role as DPS" or a bit more childish: "DON'T PULL FFS." or maybe: "If you pull it - you tank it."

14/02/2012 21:42Posted by Snakepit

This may sound more like a thread to support healers but I always get the blame if the hunter dies.

Welcome to the world of tanking.

14/02/2012 21:42Posted by Snakepit

Surely he should wait for the healer considering pulling is not his job anyway?

He should wait for you to pull. Period. He should certainly not treat you with bad manners since you appear to treat the people you meet nicely.

A mage kept on pulling all the mobs and I got sick of it I just whispered the rest of the group to ask them if they mind me swapping to dps and just letting the mage tank they said yes so that's what I did. I let him tank till he quit.

Sorry for this being a late reply, but thank you for all the replies it's been nice to read your thoughts and experiences. Also to the 2 people claiming it's not just hunters, I completely agree since this thread I've hit 66 and I've discovered that pretty much any class will pull if they are impatient or plain stupid.

Also has anybody experienced this... it happened to me and a group of people that I had been re-queing dungeons with for the past hour..

We lost a DPS and a gnome (I think it was a DK) joins and before I've even taken the quests he runs in and pulls literally every mob in the room runs back into the starting area and just leaves. Our healer and I shot into action and nobody actually died, but I though it was a bit sad a player trying to "wipe us". The exact same thing happened the day before when we kicked (Who I'm guessing was a warriors friend) because he did the exact same thing.

Is this like considered a new way of trollling? I haven't really seen anybody stupid enough to do this in heroics etc.

You can report a person that intentionally pulls as much as he can (or a boss, for that matter) and leaves after letting the aggro pass to the rest of the group. I believe it falls under a specific type of harassment, not sure which, but that's what a GM told me once

17/02/2012 20:50Posted by Datyriam

I believe it falls under a specific type of harassment, not sure which, but that's what a GM told me once

Falls under grieving, but only in the case where they intentionally pull loads of mobs in order to kill the group and leaves.
MisdirectingTotTing mobs to players to kill them is also the same

And leap of faithing people to their deaths

I do not think its fair to pin it just to hunters. Class and specs are irrlevant. It comes down to the player and impatience. the leveling process is where people just learn and improve and all you can do is to just take a deep breath and sayto self : it be better next time.

Not all of us are bad, i see pretty much every class do it.

all fairness though its quite easy to accidently pull something with auto-shot

The first thing every hunter should learn is to TURN ON the 'stop auto attack' checkbox from their interface options. That will stop them from accidently pulling mobs, of course if its some idiot who -intentionally- pulls extra mobs, then there isn't much you can do about it other than maybe kick them.

I kind of miss the tbc times when average trash mob in a heroic one shotted non-tanks, back then dps didn't ninja pull because if they did, they got one shotted. I kind of hope they would bring this back.

Had a similar experience the other day in a LFD HoT. I was barely off the loading screen when a hunter in the group starts pulling stuff, I rush to grab aggro and everything is fine, of course. Then i tell him, in a nice and humble tone, that if he intends to pull himself the least he could do is cast misdirect on me. He responds "just !@#$ and tank, n00b".
Now i know threat is not a big issue these days, and I could get by just fine with a dps pulling in random heroics if i felt up for it, but I dont like random people doing it, especially if theyre not using MD/TotT or atleast asking me if its ok. I certainly wont accept jerks like this particular hunter pulling then flaming me.
So I tell him again to let me do the pulling, and he goes all mental on me and starts cussing and flaming like crazy.

Next pack, he pulls again. Me and the rest of the group just stand by passively and watch him die. I grinned to myself, and after that we had a smooth run cause the hunter stopped pulling, he knew it would just mean a bigger repair bill for himself :)

I just let people die and don't even start trying to take aggro IF they have done ninja pulling multiple times and haven't apologised for it. They do learn that them pulling means they will die and if you are particularly vindictive they won't even get a ress (healers need to be on your side for that one really). People are allowed to pull accidentally a few times as long as they didn't mean it and said sorry etc, heck I've played a hunter that's why they have feign death!

I'm not saying hunters are the ninja pullers, I'm just saying it's more likely since they can auto attack without being in the mobs face. For bosses which pull on hit (Raggie/Ultra) melee dps are terrible for ninja pulls.

Its definitly not just hunters, I was in a group where the healer thought it was clever to go fetch two or three extra packs (and ran miles to do it) just before jaina.
Not cool.

If I body pull something by mistake due to not paying attention to patrols or something equally as stupid then tbh I fully expect to die.
Just sometimes the group springs in to unprepared action, so instead of just me hitting the dirt, everyone is killed :(
There's just no time to even say "Just let me die!"

For me the most retarded ones have always been either mages or paladins. The hunters i've usually met are very clever. Trapping the supressors on murozond for example without even asking them.

Mages and locks are the worst for me. Healer will say MB they'll pull I have to take aggro pop all the CDs and just hope I make it out alive.

18/02/2012 03:37Posted by Azriyel

I do not think its fair to pin it just to hunters. Class and specs are irrlevant. It comes down to the player and impatience. the leveling process is where people just learn and improve and all you can do is to just take a deep breath and sayto self : it be better next time.

I am not pinning hunters in any way! :) It's just they were the main players doing it but since getting close to level 70 It's actually got a lot better. Only thing I'm seeing now is the occasional accidental pull which is fine obviously :)

I imagine that ranged characters are unfortunately normally the culprits for pulling unwanted mobs.
If a DPS continually pulls without waiting for the tank then, as a DPS, I agree with kicking that player or, at the very least, let them die ... repeatedly ... and not offer a res.

I know, with Hunters especially, that the Auto-Shot has caught a lot of genuine team-focused players out and random pulls have happened literally by mistake (especially in 5-man pugs etc)

However, the solution is simple:

18/02/2012 05:47Posted by Namari

The first thing every hunter should learn is to TURN ON the 'stop auto attack' checkbox from their interface options

I learnt this on my first character the hard way as I didn't run any dungeons until hitting 80 in WOTLK so was a complete and utter Noob ! I'd target a mob, simply to be ready-to-go, and an unintentional shot would fire automatically. Yeah, the group was not happy (understandably!)

Once I had that sorted by turning on the Stop-autoattack I moved on to using macros to misdirect to the Tank and target the Tanks target (a macro to focus the tank, misdirect and use /assist focus and apply Hunter's Mark etc).

I very quickly learnt the 2nd rule:

TURN OFF the 'Auto-attack on Assist' as well !!


As for tanking itself .....

I've tried tanking at low level .. well, 1 attempt for about 10 mins, lol .... didn't have a clue (still don't have much of a clue about tanking tbh !!) but it was enough to realise there was a LOT more to tanking than simply charging in and hoping to be kept alive.

I have 100% respect for good, team-focused tanks and the least I can do (and I hope most DPS feel the same way) is to not pull anything without the tank being ready and OK with it.



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