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mop tree updated lets disscus!
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so i play normally holy but in mop i will go back to my roots as ret so i will give my 2cents about rets :D
speed of light now increases your movment speed by 70% for 8 sec 1 min cooldown without those bonus for each specialisation.. i think that is a better idea eternal flame is like a HoT probebly very good for holy it costs 1 holy power heals each 3 sec for 30sec 2404 happy for holy that they get a HoT! sacred shield is now castable and will give wog a 30% crit chance and absorb 5k dmg awesome!!! hand of purity is almost like hand of sacrifice imo exept it does not transfer the dmg to you it is only reduced by 70% hopefully not stealable or disspellable. unbreakable spirit spending holy power will reduce the cooldown of divine shield, divine protection, lay on hands up to a maximum of 50% really nice imagine a bubble every 2.5minutes! alot of classes will qq about this! the talent tree skills of tier 6 level 90 was moved up to level 75 tier 5! the new tier 9 skills are Holy prism its a sort of like beacon of light but it can also be placed on targets does damge 1k and heals 5 near by allies for 1.7k if casted on an ally it heals him for 3k and deals to near by enemies 500 dmg! i would need to test it in the ptr to see if i like it as ret could be strong of healing! Lights hammer is the second level 90 skills its an aoe heal HoT or aoe damge you place a hamer on the floor creates a radius of 10 yard allys in it will be healed for 6 every 2sec( quite low number maybe its a mistake) and if enemies are in it will deal 6 holy damge every 2 sec. not convienced about this one maybe the numbers are mistakes! 1 min cooldown the last skill is execution sentence this sounds cool a hammer falls slowly from the skies and will increase holy damage to the designated target for the next 10 sec and culimnating into a final burst! or if used on a friendly target in will heal it for 10 sec and than culimnating into a final burst of heal no numbers giving hope to see some in the future but for now this might be my choice or still need to test holy prism! 1 min cooldown now to the talent and skills WOG HAS A COOLDOWN :( but not as bad its on a 1.5 sec cooldown sword of light gives 5 % mana didnt see it before maybe it was added new hammer of righteous as now weakend blow we reduce the pysical damage by 10% judgment of bold has now pysichal vulinarbiltiy physical damage taken of an enemy is reduced by 4% for 30 sec divine storm instead of 100% weapon damge only does 50% damage now :( PLEASE BLIZZARD THIS IS ONE OF THE AWESOME SPELLS DO SOMETHING COOL WITH IT! ALL MY FELLOW RET PALLIES AGREEE! OMG I JUST GOT AN !@#$%^ WHEN I READ THIS ONE BOUNDLESS CONVICTION you may store an additional 2 hp, beyond the maximum of 3! no ability consumes over 3 holy powers! just AWESOME if i understood it right we can have 3 hp plus an additional 2 hp stored! nice!!¨! AND THIS GAVE ME ANOTHER -*!@#$!! GUARDIAN OF KINGS ON A 3MIN COOOLDOWN!!!!! so my 2cents of this all is that i know its alpha! but right now it is looking good for ret pallies! i like where blizzard is going with it! im sure other class will qq about us with all the off healing skills that will be provided but hey were holy warriors! so right now im loving the idea of it! we have a slow and great off healing which can also do dps! really awesome blizzard nice! now two things that i am still worried about! 1. the new update seems really awesome but are we still RnG reliable? 2. do we have a filler skill? now what about the other pallies i check out holy but dont want to go into details since i will not really be playing holy in M.O.P anymore but in my eyes it looks awesome aswell! i dont tank so i didnt check it out! sorry for bad spelling or bad lay out i was about to go to bed and just checked the M.O.P talent trees out to see and just got blown away! so now my fellow paladins discus what you think about the new update to the tree either if your holy, ret or tank! |
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While you make some good points, you shouldn't look too much at numbers (such as 5k shield on Sacred Shield) as it doesn't show scaling very well (Up to 5k absorbed every 6 seconds for 30 sec at level 45 would be outrageous, at level 80 it would be OK and at level 90 would be really poor).
Personally I'm really liking the look of some of these changes. |
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It's also that (with all spells) these numbers scale with level, since the talent calculator doesn't know the values for every level, and we don't know what it's point-of-reference is we have to take them with a grain of salt.
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The lvl 90 abilities look really nice but the lvl 60 ones are all crap, really an anti-dot hand that last 6 sec? the other 2 are terrible aswell, i was hoping to get rid of preparation type of spells not add more.
Speed of Light is now a Sprint, only thing missing is "Does not break stealth" and WHY the hell would you bring Sacred Shield back? it`s a terrible mechanic and with WoG will only be worse. |
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Personally, I'm just looking forward to having an actual choice over my talents... that is, until the math-boys get their hands on them.
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Edited by Akcope on 16/02/12 07:55 (UTC)
Rebuke 15 sec cd = !@#$
Tier 3 update - terrible, can't believe they are actually removing the passive sacred shield and making us even more vulnerable than we already are Tier 4 update - Guess it's ok, hand of purity sounds half - decent. Unbreakable spirit is terrible though. Tier 6 update - I really like it, Execution Sentence seems like even more insane damage added on top of already retarded wings and holy avenger Boundless Conviction - that is well, pretty sweet - almost persuades me to take Pursuit of Justice over LAotL in t1, just wondering whether judgements will generate holy power or not like they said. If they will, then its almost a sure choice |
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Edited by Aergis on 16/02/12 07:44 (UTC)
i was looking at the talents as well passives of retri and i got to say this
1 lvl 30 why take burden of guild when you can use seal of justice wich now slows the target by 50% when you deal dmg to him (melee dmg) and also does Holy dmg to target? Will seal of justice and burden of guilt stack transforming palading into a class with 75% speed slow cuz 50%+50% of the remaining speed will equal a total slow of 75%. Iff they stack ill take it iff they dont ill take fist of justice. 2 from lvl 45 tier i dont know what to go for i guess it depends how good mana regen retris will have iff its good ill go for selfless healer cuz i loved instant FoL in Wrath tho back then it costed no mana as well. Iff i find myself gooing oom or not beeing verry effective ill go for selfless healer. 3. Im definetly taking holly avenger from lvl 75 as AW can be dispelled and i couldnt find anything that reduces its cd to 2 min also 5 3HoP TV is better then hammer or so it is now duno with the sword of light passive it also increases dmg done by TV as its weapon dmg or only auto attack dmg. also guardian now only has 3 min cd 4. lvl 90 i dont know ill have to test on beta how much dmg does execution sentence does? 3 times more then holy prism as its cd is 3 times longer? how much will the icy prism heal/dmg? cant choose without testing. 5 from t1 im going for LaoTL as judgements also generate 1 HoP, increase physical dmg taken by 4%, and adding 1 more utility to a spamed spell is a good thing dont have to waste a gcd to gain that effect. 6 from lvl 60 most of it is crap now iff clemency would reset cd on divine shield and hand of protection would be another story so im thinking at this point unbreakable spirit just because hand of purity has to long cd for only stoping dot dmg even tho this game is becoming world of dots gime 30 sec cd on it and ill take it-from pvp point of view in pve ye go for the lame hand same as healers edit I dont like the ideea of hpalas spaming WoG with guardian and sacred shield |
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but if you see it has no cooldowns and the way it looks it will not be blocked by forbeadance so lets say every 12 sec you can use it since it costs 3hp and another 12 sec till you recive again 3hp for a wog heal sounds pretty good to me imo! although we will be able to generate hp much faster now since judgment gives us one charge of hp and with crusader strike and hammer of righteous if its not on a global cooldown together with cs! |
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now they never say that burden of guilt will colide with seal of justice now if this is like that imagine a 100% movement reduction every 6 sec! for 5 sec till seal of justice is done and than a 12 sec 50% movement reduction because of burden of guilt! although we are still in alpha anything can happen need to test it in the PTR of 5.0! hopefully its true what i say so we atleast have 3 cc :D |
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Edited by Tavil on 16/02/12 13:38 (UTC)
Have you ever seen 2 snares stack? soj and guilt wont stack either.
Why take Burden of Guilt you ask? soj melee range 5sec duration low dmg seal fist of justice Burden 30 yard range 12sec duration high dmg seal hammer of justice I'll switch between to see which one I'll like more but from the looks of it burden is better imo. |
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Have you guys realized that acts of sacrifice isn't there anymore !?!?!
FML if no snare/root remover. |
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Edited by Кошкаизада on 16/02/12 18:17 (UTC)
It seems like ret/hunter comp will be deadly in 2x2 and 3x3. Either you will be 5 sec stunned or take insane dmg.
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Have you guys realized that acts of sacrifice isn't there anymore !?!?! oh damn didnt notice that >( now hopefully will see something like that as a glyph! but you never know by the looks of it we have good survivablity so maybe thats why they took it away we need to wait till the final update of the tree is done to really see where we are going with our skills! |
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Edited by Themiz on 16/02/12 15:19 (UTC)
maybe they will not stack! maybe their separated slow abilities... |
Have you guys realized that acts of sacrifice isn't there anymore !?!?! There is a blizzard post somewhere on MMOChampion that states it will become a glyph! |
Rebuke 15 sec cd = !@#$ What ROFL. Passive abilties like Cheat Death, Sacred Shield in the current state are AWEFUL and promotes bad play as you don't need to think about your positioning untill it procs, this will atleast increase the skillcap of our class and you're complaning, amazing. Pandaland is looking really good for all of our specs, now I can finally go back to play Ret. |
