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http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/mists-of-pandaria/feature/talent-calculator#Za!


So they updated the MoP talent calculator.

You'll be happy to know Throwdown is no longer an optionable talent: It is completely gone, as is Cripple (the auto-slow on autoattacks and rendticks). Both replaced with extremely situational crap.

Tier 1 - Warbringer now stuns for 3 seconds instead of rooting for 5 seconds.

Tier 2 - No changes.

Tier 3 - Throwdown and Cripple removed, replaced with with a shout which roots nearby snared units, and a shout which interrupts all spellcasting in a very small radius.

Tier 4 - The former tier 5. Apparntly they reasoned removing final talents and returning them at level 90 was a bad idea. No changes.

Tier 5 - Pretty much a set of boring prot talents to choose from which will barely make much of an impact in your gameplay, if any at all.

Tier 6 - The former tier 5. No changes.


Bleh. Nice job at completely removing the one thing I thought would be a quality-of-life change for warriors, Blizzard.

Well we don't know whats getting baked into warrior talents but the tree looks worse after every change.

Glad i wan't be around for it :)

Still rerolling..

Feeling a little grumpy, are we Naeya?

15/02/2012 22:19Posted by Naeya

Tier 2 - No changes.

False. Impending Victory adds the functions of Victory Rush to it's old effect, instead of replacing them and replaces VR. Also, Second Wind doesn't heal you on Stun, but the chance to get a free heal is increased to 10%.

15/02/2012 22:19Posted by Naeya

Tier 4 - The former tier 5. Apparntly they reasoned removing final talents and returning them at level 90 was a bad idea. No changes.

Removed Ragecost on Shockwave and Bladestorm is not a "No changes", especially if they manage to go through with the rage management model.

15/02/2012 22:19Posted by Naeya

Tier 5 - Pretty much a set of boring prot talents to choose from which will barely make much of an impact in your gameplay, if any at all.

Uuh... You do realise the biggest whine I see around is lack of utility (and damage and mobility, but you get the point)? This tier adresses that, whether you want to accept it or not. You can either get a Sac, a small Shield Wall for someone else or reflect a spell for everybody around you every 25 sec. You call these possibilities "boring, with no impact on your gameplay"?

15/02/2012 22:19Posted by Naeya

Tier 6 - The former tier 5. No changes.

Deadly calm got a little buff, increasing burst. A rather bland tier though, could use some bigger changes.

Anyone managed to find Deathwish anywhere in the skill sets?

NOOOO BLIZZARD WHY U REMOVE CRIPPLE :(

Just looked at MMO-champion were they have listed all changes on abilities. Seems like arms gets nerfed, and fury gets buffed. http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/

Nerfed fury mastery to the ground hell yeah! /sarcasm

Bladestorm now clarifies its range as 8 yards, and no longer has a rage cost. Its damage has been reduced from 150% to 75% weapon damage <Real root breaker>

Bladestorm now clarifies its range as 8 yards, and no longer has a rage cost. Its damage has been reduced from 150% to 75% weapon damage <Real root breaker>

Lol the sad part about this is, the only reason that makes you think twice to pick something else over bladestorm is that you would lose an ability to break root, because that's the only thing the talent is good for anymore.

kokot i dont think i will play that weird class called warrior in MoP. I want lock my xp on 85 with old talent system.

I like how they made Bladestorm availible at 60 again like how it originally was, in Cata it's not availible untill 69.

Mass spell reflection and Staggering shout looks good.

Intimidating Shout seems to be missing, either becoming a glyph or completely removed, I fear for the latter.

Please tell me dey be trawlin?

Please tell me this is just a dream. No throw down? Our only good Close quarters Stun, It's not OP and is great for PvP and they are getting rid of it. I mainly PvP on this toon and that alone would make me wanna go back to my shammy


Why blizz why

Also I don't like the fact the 2 self heals are on the same tier. The Warrior self heals are terrible so it's nice to have 2, but now we only get 1.

Come on Bliz.

Rend has been removed.

Taste for Blood now triggers from Deep Wounds, rather than Rend.

Overpower now does 125% weapon damage (up from 118%).

That extra 7% is realy going to make up for it dont worry...

extra damage is nice yeah but still Throw down is great for setting up your burst in arena or bg's, longs you get them to use their trinket b4 hand

16/02/2012 10:29Posted by Alagix

Rend has been removed.

I would say that Rend was renamed to Deep Wounds and original deep wounds was removed.
Also:
Overpower - 9 sec CD
Mortal Strike - 6 sec CD
Colossus Smash - 30 rage
Slam - 30 rage, instant
Looks like Slam is going to be the filler, but will we have a high enough rage income?
Impending Victory in PvE rotation?

16/02/2012 06:32Posted by Kaikuri

Feeling a little grumpy, are we Naeya?

Quite! I took a little look at the added details later.

15/02/2012 22:19Posted by Naeya

Tier 2 - No changes.

False. Impending Victory adds the functions of Victory Rush to it's old effect, instead of replacing them and replaces VR. Also, Second Wind doesn't heal you on Stun, but the chance to get a free heal is increased to 10%.

By no changes I meant the actual talent. Yeah they changed the mechanics some, but the actual options remain the same picks as before. Still don't know which of these might be the better option.

They also made Enraged Regen heal over a longer period, 1% every second for 15 secs instead of 1.5% every sec for 10 secs.

Ragecost on Shockwave and Bladestorm is not a "No changes", especially if they manage to go through with the rage management model.

The definition of "ticklestorm" is back :P

Bladestorm now clarifies its range as 8 yards, and no longer has a rage cost. Its damage has been reduced from 150% to 75% weapon damage <Real root breaker>

16/02/2012 07:47Posted by Seayon

Lol the sad part about this is, the only reason that makes you think twice to pick something else over bladestorm is that you would lose an ability to break root, because that's the only thing the talent is good for anymore.

Quite frankly for the purpose of rootbreaker you're better off picking Avatar then. Shorter cooldown. That's the even sadder part.

15/02/2012 22:19Posted by Naeya

Tier 5 - Pretty much a set of boring prot talents to choose from which will barely make much of an impact in your gameplay, if any at all.

Uuh... You do realise the biggest whine I see around is lack of utility (and damage and mobility, but you get the point)? This tier adresses that, whether you want to accept it or not. You can either get a Sac, a small Shield Wall for someone else or reflect a spell for everybody around you every 25 sec. You call these possibilities "boring, with no impact on your gameplay"?

As far as I can tell all these talents are prot-warrior talents. Heck, Vigilance should be outright -baseline- for protwarriors, I really don't see what it is doing being put up as a talent choice.

Safeguard is a mobility option, yes, the only one. It's situational as well, only usable if an ally happens to be nearby. Don't get me wrong I'm certain it'll help with peeling and all that, but it's not exactly a talent that makes me get all fuzzy as a non-prot warrior.

Mass spell reflect..... Yeah. I'm pretty certain every single warrior would rather just see an option to reduce the cooldown on SR. All of these talents on tier 5 are distinctively about team-play. They are useless on your own. I don't see why these talents aren't just made baseline, or as possible glyphs. It's just not interesting.

15/02/2012 22:19Posted by Naeya

Tier 6 - The former tier 5. No changes.

Deadly calm got a little buff, increasing burst. A rather bland tier though, could use some bigger changes.

Deadly Calm is still MILES behind an ability that literally offers you 30% increased damage on your special attacks for 12 seconds on 1 min cooldown. That's an average overal 6% increase in damage for your special attacks, if you use it whenever it is off CD.

Tier 3: Staggering Shout is little more than the former Improved Hamstring, except on an AOE level. How many times are you going to find yourself in a situation where you have multiple snared targets around you to make it a viable option? if Thunderclap will still slow targets I reckon it's possible to use a TC > SS combo, but how many occasions will you find where it gives you an actual edge? It sounds extremely situational to me.

Same as Distupting shout. How often do you find yourself in proximity of more than one caster trying to cast at the same time?

Warbringer seems useless seeing as charge already stuns for 1.5 secs. 1.5 second extra stun-time in favour of shorter cooldown? I don't see any situation in which this would be useful.

No clue how they are going to handle Double Time yet to make it viable as an option against Juggernaut. As far as I'm concerned they should make Double Time increase Charge's cooldown to 26 secs but give it two internal CDs.


A few other things:

- Not going to comment on the damage nerfs, that seems to be globally done for all classes.
- Rend removed and replaced with Deep Wounds, Deep Wounds is automatically applied with every MS / BS / Devestate. At least you no longer need to waste a GCD on a bleed.
- Demoralizing Shout is fused with Thunderclap, and Thunderclap spreads Deep Wounds instead of Rend.
- According to the tooltip Blood and Thunder causes your Thundreclap to APPLY deep wounds rather than spreading it.

16/02/2012 10:24Posted by Melonbrew

No throw down? Our only good Close quarters Stun, It's not OP and is great for PvP and they are getting rid of it.

We never needed Throwdown in the first place, it was given during WOTLK as part of the homogenization process. Glad to be rid of it. LESS homogenization!

Granted it would be nice if we could at least have Cripple back as an option, it was a fine and in my mind viable option compared to the option of Throwdown.