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Krasus
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Edited by Brummer on 19/02/12 01:57 (UTC)
Hey,
Huge lore fan. Have slowly got my through nearly all the novels there are to read. Krause has played such a huge role in wow lore so why just kill the guy off? It just does not make sense! |
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Your welcome. Have a nice day :)
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Edited by Fasha on 19/02/12 03:08 (UTC)
Waaait when he died don`t remember that ???
Edit:Oh yeah i tottaly forgot he died |
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Apologies if this post has caused some shockers andm aybe should have read the forum rules first of all however. Its seems that Blizzard have just disappated a most excellent Lore Character (From a Novel Standpoint).
It could that hte majority of WOW players dont even read the books a guess and would not really know the impact of other characters within the novels. |
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Am i the only one who hated this Sue's guts?
Horrible know-it-all, hated him more than Rhonin really. Good riddance. |
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Edited by Archaos on 19/02/12 23:25 (UTC)
Blizzard are secretly getting rid of all of Knaak's characters.
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Even if that were true, it doesn't matter when the likes of Malfurion and Thrall are arguably far worse than Rhonin or Krasus when it comes to mary-sue tendencies. |
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Edited by Miylee on 20/02/12 02:59 (UTC)
"This character is a mary-sue because I don't like him!" - That's all I ever see on this section of the forums. You all remind me of my old school days back when this was peoples logic:
"Everything that I don't like is ga-y". (Damn censors) |
A Mary Sue (sometimes just Sue), in literary criticism and particularly in fanfiction, is a fictional character with overly idealized and hackneyed mannerisms, lacking noteworthy flaws, and primarily functioning as a wish-fulfilment fantasy for the author or reader. |
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I didn't think Krasus was that bad, but Rhonin is a different matter entirely... especially if you've read all the novels he was involved in. Perhaps its just because I've paid too much attention to Rhonin and too little to Krasus. His character concept seemed pretty alright initially, but it soon started lacking severely with regards to the balance between his good and bad qualities. |
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Edited by Arthaban on 20/02/12 07:44 (UTC)
Krasus, a Sue? Yeah right...Ever read Day of the Dragon?
'Hmm... I want to accomplish something...Let's send in that human mage fella' to scout. Might kill him, but who cares? One small life, that will be over within the centurie, can be afforded if we are to safe the Dragonqueen, who will live forever...' Sure, by the end of the book he changes that, but he doesn't seem like a Sue to me. In fact, I always loved this character just because he SEEMS so perfect, but if you look closely, you see the flaws. And he has to keep up this 'perfectness' to everyone, even though we all know he isn't perfect... Next: Oh, now you're calling Rhonin a Sue? Sure...ly not! He killed his entire party once, by accident but a Sue character would still not do something, because 'By accident' means that there is a huge flaw in the character. All the way through the earlier mentioned DotD this event haunts him, and his actions arebased on it. He wants to do everything alone to prove himself, in front of his peers, himself, and his dead party... But he can't do it alone! He just doesn't want to see that. |
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Edited by Danellos on 20/02/12 09:09 (UTC)
This is a fair argument, but what has really put me off with Rhonin was the time when he was able to summon a raptor army to his aid for no apparent reason at all. They basically came from nowhere and this is not something a normal person can do, although it was the result of some or other power contained within a Naaru staff if I am not mistaken (I don't remember the exact turn of events that well). However, this is pretty poor plot device really in order to give this character even more "power" than he really needed, and sparks resentment in the reader's mind. Some also argue that Rhonin's Sue tendencies spawn from his actions in the War of the Ancients trilogy with regards to being the great and mighty Illidan Stormrage's "master", however, one must also remember that Illidan was not so great and mighty at this point in time... but surely Knaak could have used various other plot devices to get Illidan his teachings? I mean, the Highborne existed after all! Another factor is his wife being an elf and them having twins which is rare for elves to begin with. Although cross-racial weddings happen at times in the Warcraft universe, I feel that this adds too much of a "special snowflake" feel to it, especially with the twins being added into the mix. Let's just say, if I were penning down Rhonin's character concept, I'd not have done this at all. Personally, I was very disappointed in War of the Ancients partially because of Rhonin's presence in it and especially considering I am a huge fan of elven lore. The trilogy started off alright, but with the way Rhonin was handled in general in this story, I kind of cringed. I got halfway through the second book, and could no longer continue... I ended up reading a plot summary somewhere just to get the lore down. Yes there are flaws in Rhonin as you have pointed out, but the balance between his good and bad qualities still severely lack, and this is the reason why you'll see many lore fans out there call him a Sue. This is just my personal stance on Rhonin and his integration into the Warcraft universe. I don't really have a problem with Krasus as I have mentioned earlier. He is, after all, a dragon. Dragons can be given a little more room for good qualities. |
Next: Oh, now you're calling Rhonin a Sue? Sure...ly not! Rhonin's survivor guilt (if memory serves, he didn't exactly kill his party) is only played with at the start of his "arc". After that it just vanishes and he's like a video game character who just keeps getting more and more powers and being more and more central to the story, while at the same time having no real characterization of his own and instead just getting lots of "unique and cool" things such as an elven wife and "fiery red hair" etc. |
And that's when happens when you stand in fire. |
Either way, I remember that being mentioned in Day of the Dragon for a very brief period at the start of the story, and after that it's pretty much forgotten and Rhonin becomes Mary Sue and stays that all the way to the end. |
Your reasoning is flawed when you try to support your argument with a proof you cannot even recollect. Try again, or go back and find that proof.
The Highborne that were actually capable of great magic were all Azshara's servants, chief among them being Xavius, who was pretty much a Satyr by the time Illidan crossed over to their side, and hence utterly unconcerned with teaching Illidan magic at all. Furthermore, Highborne were pretty arrogant, you think they'll go around teaching powerful magic to some new guy? Don't be stupid. Another point to be made here is that Illidan was merely a novice then, and his power or the skill with which he could use his power was barely developed. At that time, Rhonin was a powerful mage, and just newly given access to the Well of Eternity, which made him comparable to an Eredar Warlock. Both of them were on the same side, and Illidan after seeing his display of power thought that he was pretty skilled, so he decided to call him teacher. And Rhonin wanted to be his teacher so that he could teach him better ways to use his magic than the kind of disgusting ways Illidan was using. It's perfectly logical.
Has no effect on the story. And guess what, we haven't heard a word about his twins doing anything at all, unlike Med'an, and he's clearly a Sue. You're drawing straws out of thin air.
Please explain. Forget Rhonin, Malfurion was the biggest Sue in that trilogy. Destroyed Xavius just like that? Just when he had begun his education under Cenarius? Give me a break. |
