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Fury OH
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Why is Ataraxis beter in fury OH then ESS? I see top warriors using Ataraxis in OH fury spec, but then the "Best in slot" site says otherwise. I believe the top players over the site but still i wana know why.
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cause it's better.
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Real helpful response. Top of the line, would read again. Why is Ataraxis beter in fury OH then ESS? I see top warriors using Ataraxis in OH fury spec, but then the "Best in slot" site says otherwise. I believe the top players over the site but still i wana know why.Because after you get the T13 2p, Haste is better than Mastery, since it affects ragegen, and thus lets you use the 2p more. Without the 2p, the Axe is better for TG. Also, lemme guess, your "BiS site" is Mr. Robot? |
^ This. Also for the same reason you should be going for a hit heavy build, 17-19% ish is ideal I believe, after that crit starts being equal to hit. |
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Would Gurthalak be any good in my OH? I have two now, but I haven't really seen a big difference between the raid finder one and the one from Madness itself..
I'm also having doubts about what you say about haste being better than mastery.. 2/4: Heroic Strike costs 10 less rage while Inner Rage is active. What does that have to do with haste? It doesnt even have anything to do with mastery. Seems no logic in there to me, mastery makes Raging blow do more dps, and since RB is still a prio attack wouldn't mastery be important? Haste does nothing for me, it generates more rage? And how will that make you use the 2/4 bonus more? Inner Rage does not cost rage, also getting more rage will not make its cooldown faster, so you don't really gain a lot from it except maybe 1 extra HS hit, wich i'd rather put in a Bloodthirst or Raging blow.. also, Kaikuri, wich BiS site do YOU use then? ^^ |
Haste indirectly buffs your rage gen by making you hit faster. The faster you hit, the more rage you get. With the 2p Inner Rage, HS DPR goes up a lot, making it a worthwhile button to hit. The more you can hit it along your other skills, the more damage you do. Still seems unlogical to you to increase your rage gen? Also, I never said Haste becomes the Uber go to stat, it just becomes slightly better than Mastery for TG (while for SMF, things doesn't change at all). None, or Elitist Jerks at max. I learn my class well enough that I can deduct if something is good or potentially BiS by just looking at it. |
Would Gurthalak be any good in my OH? I have two now, but I haven't really seen a big difference between the raid finder one and the one from Madness itself.. Actually HC Strike under Inner Rage 2set is better RPD than Raging Blow, so while that is active you favor slam/battleshout (depending on your rage level) over Raging Blow, if it means you can get those extra 20 rage heroic strikes with the rage that you are saving over using Raging Blow. And if you can't understand how Haste can help you get more benefit of the 2set by already realizing that you get more rage gen with haste, I don't feel like explaining anything further to you. It's common sense really, either you're trolling or .... insert appropriate adjective there. |
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Still, i don't see why people would prefer hitting HS over RB, mastery get RB's damage up, and I would prefer RB over HS even if HS costs 10 less rage. I've tried some dummy runs with 20% hit and massively spamming HS, and then i did a run using more mastery instead of all that hit (Hit still al 17%) and I actually bring about 2k more stable DPS and raging blow beat HS with a looooong shot.
If you look at the average damage done by RB and HS you'll see that when your mastery is ok, RB does higher hits/crits than HS, wich will be stuck at 25k crits while RG can go up to 38k crits. Mastery seems to still be the way to go here for me... |
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The entire idea in this patch is indeed NOT to stack mastery and see it as the worst stat. Yes of course if you're going to stack mastery RB is going to hit harder than heroic strike but at the same time you're giving up overall damage.
It's all about DPR, which should be favoring HS during inner rage uptime if you don't try to achieve high mastery ratings. |
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Edited by Wrimp on 22/02/12 15:24 (UTC)
*Facepalm*
for example; you have inner rage up and RB is off cooldown and slam is procced. Now with the same amount of Rage you could either do RB or you could do Slam + 20 Rage HS which costs the same rage. Guess what, Slam + HS will do more damage than RB (You should know this but can't tell with you, you should only slam when SFB is procced aka it costs no rage and is instant). Similar with Battle Shout, Instead of spending 20 Rage you gain 30 Rage, that is 50 Rage you can spend on 20 HSs. And 17-19% is the desired amount, not 20%. |
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I'm like lady gaga but without all the glamour.
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Edited by Kidonl on 22/02/12 16:38 (UTC)
You sure Slam+HS do more damage? You DO know you gotta count the RB and the Offhand RB together right? 1 slam + 1HS will never do more dps than a RB, even if it only does 150% weapon damage.
And of course i know not to use slam when it's not procced, i use a macro for that. You also don't have to talk to like i'm 6 years old, I know what I am doing, and I have seen what you're saying in effect. DPS is higher with mastery+RB than with haste+HS, period. And no, i'm NOT trying to achieve high mastery rating, I don't reforge anything into that, I just would not prefer haste above it. I reforge hit and crit where possible, and tbh, I'm currently just using the reforge build MrRobot is giving me purely because that one does more DPS than either one with a lot of mastery or the one with 19% hit. BTW, i though this was about Titan's Grip, wich is what I'm using. I see you're using SMF Reptiel, wich actually is a bit different, and haste might be better but I don't know because I've played with two-handers from the moment I could.. |
