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Enchanters - victims?
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Edited by Katriedna on 22/02/12 17:24 (UTC)
Remind me again why I am obliged to disenchant stuff in dungeons for free? I worked quite hard and spent a lot of money to get to 525, and now I go around and disenchant stuff for free for people who sell me mats later? Make a system that allows me to state my price, and when they click DE button, if they winn the roll, I will get some amount of gold. Of course, they can always need or greed it for free. Make the system asap, it is frustrating for me to be compulsed to DE stuff for people. Or remove the DE button entirely, non-enchanters will still be able to buy mats for Justice points or buy Binds-on-Equip items and find an Enchanter to DE it for them. I have simply had it with all those people in dungeons who don't even bother to say "thank you". I am being used without my consent here, Blizzey, do something!
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I have the same feeling. My thought is that the enchanter should have a roll bonus against other people clicking DE.
P.S. Thread title is a little extreme don't you think? |
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Perhaps, it is all that accumulated anger inside me...
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Edited by Brosephine on 22/02/12 16:32 (UTC)
Nah, this system keeps the mats affordable. It's not like it isn't easy as hell to make gold from enchanting already, I've got it myself. If it was up to me people should be able to roll disenchant whether there was an enchanter in the group or not. More easily obtainable mats, and you whiners couldn't claim they were you using you either lol.
I'd rather see they give us back the control over head, shoulder, belt and leg enchants. |
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The OPs' point is that people shouldn't get an item dienchanted for free when the enchanter has probably spent more than he has made leveling the profession. I have never been in a dungeon where the a skinner has said "Right I have x amount of skins from this run, everybody roll for them so we can keep the economy under control."
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Yeah, well, ITT: People who don't know how to make money from enchanting. Go mine or something. |
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People see enchants as their right, and they pretty much get them for free by clicking de thanks to having an enchanter in their pug. Enchants are supposed to be an extra to their stats, and extras should always cost.
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They don't get the enchants for free, they get the mats. If they want to the enchants they have to pay the mat price + the 50% profit that enchanters charge on my server for a scroll. Nobody here gets others to make it for them with their mats. Thus the disenchant button in dungeons is a good for everyone, it keeps the cost for mats lower for enchanters while letting people who run dungeons get a little more back than the vendor sell price when something that nobody wants drops. This in turn gives a little cheaper enchants. Also since less stuff is vendored less gold is created from nothing and added to the economy, reducing the already rampant inflation. |
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Why should I be made to do something I don't want to? In this case, it is disenchanting stuff for people. As if someone took a potion from your bag just because you had one, and you are in a dungeon. |
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Really? 50%? On my server, ppl who have mats pay me 25-50g. And no one buys scrolls. I mean, why would they, when they can get mats from me while we are in a dungeon, and then use them + 25g.
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Edited by Dysnomia on 22/02/12 17:52 (UTC)
You do realise if you stopped selling yourself in trade (*Edit - pun intended) the people who wanted enchants would have to buy scrolls off the AH. They would also put the mats on AH and you could pick em up cheep to make more enchants with. (and dont start on about buying 'your own' mats off the AH, because if they couldnt roll DE on them others would still win, they would just be armour, and therefore vendored. and the cost of mats would still be prohibitively expensive.) |
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Try and look at this way,
This char has enchanting, i have 2 other chars that dont... Give and take i say!! I dont mind what happens to gear if ive lost a roll.. if another char gets to disenchant cos im an enchanter then so be it! However..... if im on an alt that dos'ent have enchanting, and i win a roll and choose disenchant, thats all the better for me.... :) Gotta say, i dont get your point! enchanting is a goldmine... we win whatever |
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I don't sell myself. I meant "I" as in "Enchanter". I never bother to go, meet with people, trade, enchant, etc. for 25g.
How can you not see my point? I have enchanting and don't want to disenchant stuff for people for free. Why should I be obliged to do it? Can someone give me a good reason? |
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Incorrect. http://eu.theunderminejournal.com/category.php?realm=H-Dunemaul&category=enchanting Most of the scrolls I sell all the time on my server, also sell on your server just fine. 30g to make a Mighty Stats on chest? 18 of them sold for 150g in the last 2 days. That's 120g profit, 400%. 565g to make agility on bracers? 30 sold in the last 9 days, for 800g to 1500g (3 today for 1200g). That's 235-935g profit, 40-160%. You can say whatever about your scrolls not selling, but someone on your server is selling scrolls for silly profit, because someone is buying them. Not the people that are paying you 25-50g and saving all their dungeons mats, but someone else. Just because you only deal with those people, doesn't mean the other market doesn't exist. |
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I don't sell myself. I meant "I" as in "Enchanter". I never bother to go, meet with people, trade, enchant, etc. for 25g. No, there is no good reason, yet at the same time you're not providing and good reasons why you shouldn't. But that's what hundreds of thousands of enchanters did before cross realm dungeons were implemented, that's what was implemented despite the quite logical (and better reasons) that enchanters gave against it, and that's how it is. How you deal with it is up to you, but trying to change the game is not the best way to deal with it. |
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How does that answer my question?
Besides, you can earn that much money from daily quests. And how do you expect me to make scrolls when the raw mats are more expensive then scrolls, not to mention I don't have mats since anyone can take them from me? And don't say "not my problem" or something like that, you started the question. I fail to see the reason for the opposition. I just want to choose not to do something I shouldn't even be made to do. |
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I just read the second post.
Oh, you mean change the game I'm paying, like everybody else? What was I thinking, that I have equal right not to be satisfied? The DE button was introduced after WOTLK. Some patch, don't remember which one. It obviously made enchanters unnecessary, why not make Enchanting a secondary profession? |
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The mats aren't more expensive than the scrolls, you are wrong. Check the link I sent, people on your server are selling scrolls for a profit with AH bought mats right now. You aren't, because you think there isn't any profit, but that doesn't stop the guy next to you from buying mats from AH for 600g, spending 10 seconds making a scroll, and selling the scroll on AH for 1200g. Not all of them have that all the time of course, but enough of them do it for enough time so that it's worth doing.
They aren't taking mats from you, the mats weren't your mats in the first place. If you didn't DE, you wouldn't win the item, they would still win the item. You will be able to get mats from AH at a cheaper price compared to if there was no dungeon DE, like I've done for all of Cataclysm. Around 3 years ago when this was announced to be implemented, enchanters cried. Many of them had a mostly greedy perspective like you, but there were some that had good points. One of the good points were about the freedom of choice, and having the choice to deny disenchanting to someone you would never have disenchanted for in the first place. Someone that was rude to the group, played terribly, /spit on you and so on, but you'd still be forced to increase his monetary value from the run because you had enchanting. That issue was raised, and ignored. Why? We don't know. We never will. We'll just have to deal with it, because it won't get changed back. Talking about "I spent this much gold to level enchanting and I get nothing back", "They're stealing my mats" and "We need to earn gold from that disenchanting" are bad arguments, and they fall for even deafer ears. Blizzard don't care much at all about the moneymaking of professions, they've hard nerfed stuff that people were using to earn money before. And frankly, enchanting is easier to make money with because of the change compared to before it. |
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Ok, people dont take 'your' mats, we roll on them (greed is equal to DE) so they arent stealing mats they are rolling on them with you. The option is now they can select DE, which was done to make runs a bit quicker. Just remember with enchanting comes DE so you have what is essentailly like a crafting AND gathering profession all in one, leaving you free to take a second profession as well, so how are you loosing out again? |
