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That thing called Crit...
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Edited by Illusionoids on 18/02/12 21:25 (UTC)
So I'm seeing a lot of Discipline priests go for crit lately (or maybe they always have and I've only started noticing it now). Now we all know the advice; crit is our weakest stat. But has something changed recently?
Sorry if this sounds a tad repetitive to some of you, I just always feel like you can never know enough and when you think you do, something new always comes along. Kind of like books.. Anyway, enlighten me! :3 |
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Crit has always been strong for Disc priests due to DA. Back when I was raid healing full time I ran a mastery/crit build which I was very happy with. It's a matter of preference really whether you want more Haste or more crit and mastery (or a combo of all 3).
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In what universe? Crit has NEVER been above haste for one simple reason: Predictability. Crit is unreliable, this alone puts haste above crit. |
That's a matter of opinion and huge debate. There is a strong following of people who believe that speccing heavily into haste is the way to go for healing priests, whereas overs like me prefer the master and crit. |
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If by "always" you mean "occasionally and under specific criteria" then that sentance is correct.... To OP - if you are referring to disc, crit has had a nice buff due to increased critical heals recently, and ofc procs DA which makes it fairly strong. However, mastery gives more throughput per mana, while haste gives more throughtput per second without having to worry about RNG. That being said, there is no "bad" stat for disc healers out of mastery/crit/haste. Pick what you prefer and ignore anyone who says "x is the best for every situation" :) If you're referring to shadow then crit overtakes mastery when you've got VPLC and/or T12 2set. Both usually fall behind haste however. |
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Woops, should have specified it - I meant for Discipline.
Yeah that's the rule I always followed. I personally prefer the balance between haste/mastery, especially when you're tank healing and need to throw heals/shields around. But I may try and go for more crit sometime and see how it goes.. Did not think of the DA proc though. I guess if you're raid healing maybe crit would be more of a priority as Midnightheal said :) |
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I guess a possible theory could be that you can finally get respectable amounts of crit rating and thus a fairly good critical chance with your heals in this tier. Sure, it's still unreliable in a sense, but 40% odd critical chance does work out to be almost predictable. :P
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Crit has always been good, the only thing that detracts its value in general is RNG.
DPS don't mind crit RNG mostly, its just added damage. Healer do dislike RNG however. Sure that 80k crit heal you just did might've just saved the tank, but can you count on it for the next time it happens? or maybe that 80k crit heal just overhealed by 70k and was practically useless? Crit is bad because you cannot rely on it. Usually its nice (and Disc has the added benefit of DA even if the healing portion was wasted) but I would never in my life depend on it unless I could rely on it giving a crit RIGHT NOW. With lower powered heals like PoH (individual heal speaking) or low powered hots, Crit aint so bad, but when you really need it, its usually never there. |
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Maybe im speaking from a pvp perspective but every chat ive seen over on AJ about it said mastery>crit>haste logic being mastery for obvious reasons then crit to give you more benefit from the mastery, but really its down to personal preference as someone said above there is no bad choice tbh.
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Edited by Asteriana on 19/02/12 04:47 (UTC)
not really a huge debate... i mean in tier 11 when i was stacking crit... it was a nightmare :P now that we have a bigger mana pool crit to 20% ( close to that) haste to 12% ( for DH extra tick, although i aint sure if u can get 1 tick more with BT) and the rest mastery i think its better since we are still shielding through prayer of DA ( PoH)
we couldnt neglect the benefit from renewed hope talent which basicly gives us an extra hint that disc does need crit " Increases the critical effect chance of your Flash Heal, Greater Heal, Heal and Penance (Heal) spells by 10% on targets afflicted by the Weakened Soul effect, or blessed with your Grace effect." so even if u are tankignhealing or raid healeing with 2-3 shields before its still a nice healing boost although i believe that the numbers i mentioned above are more coefficient for 10 man raiding , in 25 man raiding its more ideal to have more haste over mastery even if u are a smite healer , DA can proc from your atonement. but as paradoxd mentioned is down to personal preference in the end, for example i cannot loose my spirit over any other stat but that's just me. use what ever makes u more confident to your playstye :) <3 |
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Personally I would never reforge for crit, I think you get enough from intellect alone. I only reforge for haste or mastery depending on fight & role.
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Edited by Rahamatata on 19/02/12 14:49 (UTC)
Are you talking about Disc or SP OP? Because if it was disc then its always been mast>crit>haste. With haste you lose mana faster, with crit you are more mana conservative (cause DA is considered a heal once it's fully absorbed) Flash heal is fast as it is anyway. I for one would always choose crit over haste in a PvE environment. |
I'm running 1.8k spirit in to 7/8 25m hardmodes and not really feeling any mana problems with 23% unbuffed haste. Haste is flat out best troughput stat, crit is unreliable and mastery scaling is garbage because blizzard does not want us to go back to bubblecarpeting zombie mode. |
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Edited by Rexorz on 20/02/12 07:52 (UTC)
...does not want us to go back to bubblecarpeting zombie mode. I laughed hard on that one, and I agree. Before I respecced to Holy I went for mastery > haste (12.5%) > crit, since mastery gives more additional shielding. If the heal was crit and overhealed the target, then it just bubbled them for a bigger amount, meanning I had more time to heal others, but as stated... crit is to unreliable, so mastery would be more viable most of the time. Choosing between haste or mastery is your own choice. |
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I understand crit + FH-ing, but then why did you click 3 times Divine Fury, since you don't use slow spells. And why didn't you use the SoL talent, since you use a lot of FH, you will get extra from it. I do think crit is something you want to reforge from as much as u can, because ur cannot stay and build your healing on a pray "And now GH will crit and I won't need another spell to heal the tank". If it crits, cool - it saves me mana/time, if it not "what a stupid stat" :D. |
You talk about mana conservation and flash heal in a single post? I cant remember when I used flash the last time in PVE. Its quite poor healing for the mana and dragon soul has tons of aoe healing and close to no tank dmg, so why would I balance around an inefficient spell, both in terms of mana and hps? |
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All stats are unique, great in their own way.
Mastery, Great at PW:S spam for whoever does that (lol), sad for poh, sad for tankinghealing. Crit, Great for spamming poh, RNG makes it quite sad for tankhealing and pws spam is decent. Haste, Great overall, the stat with most HPS gain when not PW:S spamming, drinks mana tho. they are all viable, I for one went all out crit on Al'Akir progress (spam poh 5min cy@) and it worked out great. People saying X is best, are just sad noobs. |
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Sad noobs? Quite strong there, I for one would choose crit......because I like critting a lot I guess :). So yea, those stats bring around the same value, some a bit lower than others, but due to the small differences I can clearly go for what I like.
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Rahamatata i sense a priest fight starting :D :D :D *sits on the sofa with a big bowl of pop corn, and starts watching on everyone to see who is going to start the fight * |
