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MoP warrior
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Edited by Drowster on 19/02/12 08:45 (UTC)
No more double hamstring root ? less self healing? Early days ofc but it does not look that great for a warrior!! Although I just seen the revised talents with level 90 abilities there are some other stun options and intercept is back on a 1 min timer which removes movement effects. MoP warrior going to be better you think?
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cripple gone even buble boys will get passive snare
Spell reflect still needs a shield same for shield wall recklessness still +20% dmg taken MoP PvP warrior will sux more than warrior sux now... |
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Edited by Lolzerill on 19/02/12 13:26 (UTC)
More stuns (when we already have many)
No utility-cc buffs We still gonna die in a stun Overall: Community feedback is being completely ignored, to the point a large part of high pvp people stopped posting on forums. We dont even get responds from blues. Conclusion: Warriors gonna be even more unwanted for arena/rbg than we are now if things wont change dramatically. |
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We get the same thing on a longer cd, just AoE
Have you seen the passive healing? 10% when people attack you for 10% hp heal That's ALOT over the course of time then what we have now
Please do tell me, how good are the other classes compared to warrior. Because that's what it's all about and clearly you know how every other class are in this alpha stage. How well is our damage compared to health? cripple gone even buble boys will get passive snare They said they wanted to ease on the passive snare thing, so expect more classes to lose passive snare
Fair enough
Fair enough MoP PvP warrior will sux more than warrior sux now... Warriors were like that in wotlk as well, did they suck then?
Actually, we lost throwdown
Sacrifice and improved intervene (can't remember the name)
Again, you don't know how much damage compared to health anyone is going to do at this stage
Because if they were to comment on it people would bicker and whine about their thoughts, also just because somethign is wrong (not saying it isn't) doesn't mean they can snap their fingers and they can fix it without anything happening with balance in other areas
Stop drawing conlcusions like a whiny !@#$% unless you infact know most of how things are gonna be balanced in mop. We barely know half, and half of that is going to change |
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We have no idea how any of this is going to play out
We do not know if we are going to die in stuns We do not know if we are going to instagib people in a charge stun We cannot provide reliable feedback until Beta starts, when we can actually play with the talents and abilities as well as the new glyph system of which we know nothing of yet. All we can do atm is look at whats changed and go "hmm I like the idea" or "don't like" which is nothing compared to the amount of changing these talents and abilites will likely undergo in the Beta phase. there is no point comparing how we are now to how we will be then, as we know nothing short of a few abilities. |
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well.. idd, the warrior class as for right now, is way to underpowered in many situations, IMO!.
Tho i can't see why u cry about some things like, we still need a shield for reflect and shieldwall, ofcause we need a shield for especielly these 2 abilities. Srsly, if u find changing stance a few times hard.. then u shouldn't play a warrior mate :) we've always been a "Change-stance-class", and ofc we wont get spell reflect without using a shield. .. to be honest idk much about MoP, and how our class will become.. but i will always give it a chance. Even these days, i actually find alot of fun playing my warrior - so its not always necessary to be the strongest OP class, atleast it takes a bit of skill to kill a rogue, ret or feral these days.. |
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I appreciate that it's just a game, but I seriously find stupid mechanics that are in many ways necessary to be the bane of this class. How many times have you watched a film and some dude has instanty managed to unequip his pole arm and equip a shield and 1h weapon, to then re-equip instantly and continue fighting? No other class has to do that, and for me it spoils the fluidity and credibility of the Warrior that these tactics are necessary. |
other classes were different also
and you think this is good?
there are on the same talent line , you cant pick both \ if they cant kill the weakest target (at pvp) how would we expect to kill smthg when we dont have cc or utility?
so lets completely ignore and never respond to community threads (even constractive ones)
Steps are being made in the wrong (according to community feedback) direction. None of our major issues are being adressed. If you cant see it , you probably playing pve. |
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Edited by Swaggah on 20/02/12 00:45 (UTC)
Doesn't matter, what I'm saying is that we didn't need cool fancy !@#$ to be competetive. We had a balanced level 100% of the time, which made us awesome. While rogues/mages/druids etcetc had alot of fancy stuff, we didn't need it to remain good
You said we had alot of stuns, infact we currently only have Throwdown and gapclosers who stuns for a short amount of time. Throwdown is getting removed, intercept is getting removed and then we have charge left. And add 2 new from the new talents. No, I don't think it's "good" to lose it. But apparantly you do since we were gettign too many
1 is still not "none" which was claimed \ That's my point. YOU DONT KNOW THAT. Get it through your skull.
Fair enough, feedback is good. However blizzard changes their opinion alot, especially during alpha stage. If they say something like "we're getting a new 2shot mechanic. You liek?" and people actually likes that. Then later it's removed because it was just too much, then people are gonna cry their eyes out. Just like they're doing with cripple now
Again. You Dont Know There's no known issue in MoP Edit: People saying that they don't LIKE the direction they're going with warriors are more then fair. But to CLAIM that they're gonna be BAD is just ridiculous We got alot of fancy !@#$ in cata, and look at where we ended up at |
I would gladly sacrifice any selfhealing/cc for mobility/damage but thats just my opinion. I think the future for warriors looks great in MoP. I mean, how can it get any worse? |
Posted by Lolzerill You answered yourself. We got alot of fancy !@#$ in cata, and look at where we ended up at Nope. We had insane burst and mobility at start of cataclysm for 3 months or so. Then they took away our damage (bb Colossus and heroic strike), the mobility (bb intercept) and the reflect (25sec cd lol). BUT they didnt gave us anything to compensate the overnerf and the class collapsed. Situation is !@#$ since the PREVIOUS season , they dont seem to care , we didnt had a single respond despite the numerous threads/posts. Instead they anounced the wont make any class changes until MOP. Now dont tell me they will adress our pvp issues , its common sense we are non viable at competitive arena/rbg for 2/3 seasons of Cataclysm and nothing has been made. And by competitive i dont mean 1750 ratings or similar. |
Edit: People saying that they don't LIKE the direction they're going with warriors are more then fair. But to CLAIM that they're gonna be BAD is just ridiculous This. Seriously, stop acting as if it is the end of the world folks. We know jack all about actual values and what survivability and DPS will be like. Heck, we don't even know what our rotation and rage mechanics will be like. It's completely absurd to draw conclusions on how much we are going to suck. |
Lets say we agree. But still ... We are paying our subscriptions to play now , not in 6 months. Warriors sucks at PvP for like almost 8-9 motnhs now and they will continue to suck untill MOP (another 3-4 months?) for a total 12months. And not to mention there are no guarantees Warrs will be fine in MoP. And no dont wanna play any alt , im playing Warrior since mid TBC and i want to continue play him. Dunno, i was expecting some tweaking on last patch, something to w8 for until MoP and i was disapointed. |
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Edited by Lolzerill on 20/02/12 03:18 (UTC)
This. Erm Where were you the last 2 seasons of Cataclysm? Oh wait... You were leveling ! And you are still leveling, so you are well aware of the current warrior pvp situation. -.- |
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Edited by Swaggah on 20/02/12 03:29 (UTC)
Hoooooly smokes, it's gone from frustration to just laughing AT you :p No, because you were part of the second part of that, you were claiming things. Erm Where were you the last 2 seasons of Cataclysm? It's obviously his alt, if it's his second warrior or just an other classes alt. It doesn't matter, because the same thing applies to every God damn class in this game, but you obviously still don't get it. It has nothing to do with current pvp situation, scratch it away everything you know about it. Because most things are going to get changed Do you get it now? |
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Juu quote race thread
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im not sure whats going on but i want to complain.
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Yes yes the original desing of spell reflect and sw is from mechanic where weapon switch does not cause gcd but because rogues bros used switch to keep three difference poison on target blizzard added gcd on weapon switch. The delay from moment when i choose to use spell reflect is more than 1s sitting in cyclone or deep freeze with spell reflect up is nice example how does this outdated mechanic works. Why does blizzard want keep this crap in game for three expansion ?
Yes drawback on ability is fine as long as the ability is far better than other abilities without drawback 5 min recklessnes better than 3 min wing or 1 min shadow dance ? Lol it does not even have guaranteed dmg increase it has only guaranteed dmg taken.
They sux hard in s5 dk did everything what warrior but better similar to warrior vs rogue now. |
This sentence doesnt make any sense.
How do you know that ?
Steps being made in the wrong direction, and im concerned.
Do you ? |
