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Bloodwatcher is right
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Elves can but win by overcoming their division. Bloodwatcher is right, i.e. we must build bridges instead of licking old wounds. We can but gain through putting aside old grudges and mistrusts.
The Scryers are a good example. The are servants of the light and what is holy, this however does not agree with Blood Elves staying with the Horde. Blood Elves don't belong to the Darkness. They need no 'dark lady' to watch over them. Sylvanas has made her choice - let her live with it. May the sewers be her grave, too. But Blood Elves like their Night Elf cousins are not in need of 'embracing the shadow' - far from it. We are the flamebearers and flamekeepers of Azeroth, along with the Naaru. That Night Elf society has welcomed the highbourne again into their midst should serve us as a signal to move closer. We have the greater experience in arcane magic and instead of gleefully waiting for 'mistakes' on their part, we should rally to prevent exactly that. As the Sun needs the Night, Elves were meant to be one. Division is bad for elves - only good for everyone else. Let's put an end to this. |
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I am glad to find like-minded people among my cousins. We have been divided for too long. It's high time we stopped shunning each other - this doesn't help anyone, especially in these hard times. I don't care what the Horde or the Alliance think. That horrible scar running through beautiful Quel'Thalas needs healing and I'll keep working on it.
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The Quel'dorei are welcome to return to the lands they once abandoned, on the terms of the Sin'dorei. We have faced those hardships without any help from anyone, and the Quel'dorei are those that divided us in the first place. Not to mention the Kaldorei for banishment.
No, we will take care of the reunion, on our terms. |
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Actually, despite this being true, the Night Elves embracing magic has caused even more divide between the Blood and Night Elves.
Imagine yourself in their shoes: First you get banned from your homeland because you practiced magic, never to return. Ever. You spent 10.000 years away from your actual homeland and perhaps your friends, family, etc. Now, 10.000 years and a bit later, the same elves who banned you for eternity for using magic, are now using it them self. And not to mention they are very very dangerous with it, using magics that blood elves "already outlawed several thousand years ago". They look a bit like hypocrites this way. And yes, I know they could always work together with sunshine and lollipops and happiness in a perfect world of peace and understanding, but that's not the lore we read. There's a divide between the Night Elves and Blood Elves, and neither of the races seem to be very willing to take the leap closer to each other. |
The Quel'dorei are welcome to return to the lands they once abandoned, on the terms of the Sin'dorei. We have faced those hardships without any help from anyone, and the Quel'dorei are those that divided us in the first place. Not to mention the Kaldorei for banishment. I agree that blood elfs should act like this, they are on the other side of course. but you know apparently the high elfs were exiled after helping which has come to a shock to me or they were too far away to be of help. was it just that one group of high elfs exiled.. or?? because I am not sure
this, who wants alliance and horde groups working together when other parts of it are attacking on sight, night elfs are not gonna befirend the blood elfs when orcs are attacking them, and blood elfs are not gonna accept night elfs when they feel humans abandoned them |
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You put too much focus on other races. The Blood Elves and Night Elves hate each other. They don't hate "those guys you're allied with". |
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Edited by Taevyn on 22/02/12 13:36 (UTC)
It's pretty troubling that so much focus is being put upon the possibility of high elves and blood elves putting aside their differences. Especially since the lore team seem to forget that the sin'dorei are very justified in their hatred for the Alliance and its hypocrisy.
As for Bloodwatcher supposedly being right? I'm not really sure why so many lore fans around these parts spew out support for a minor character has but a few lines of flavour text. |
I think you liked the Concubines in Black Temple a lil too much.
Damn I'm sure you'd like to forget that it was your meddling in magic that brought the Burning Legion on your heads. Even though you were not directly involved in it, it was your continued persistence in staying with Arcane Magic rather than Druidic magic that caused you to be banished.
He may have Flavour text, but his text actually is a lot more inspiring than Lor'themar has ever said till now, or any Blood Elf for that matter, except maybe Kael'thas. |
These 2 are quoted for truth :) Advance the story of the blood elves, but not in this rainbows and butterflies fashion. Make them greedy, arrogant and powerful like they were portrayed in the start! Screw alliance hypocrites. If you want to play goodies with big probablity of getting advancement in story, pick draeneis instead. |
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Funnily enough, druidic magic seems to be causing countless deaths and problems these days. It's heavily bound by politics to the point where even the likes of Cenarius refuse to bring their wrath to the Horde in revenge for the desecration of Kalimdor and the mass slaughter of countless night elves. |
Ugh, yeah that does sound ridiculous. I guess it just wouldn't be a good plot device to use to be honest. I mean, just consider the Ancients coming into battle. The Horde wouldn't stand a chance. |
I was referring to the idea that IF they were willing to look past their differances their allies bonds and hatred of their counterparts allies would make it impossible. of course blood elfs and night elfs hate each other, I remember quests saying that blood elfs were gonna cause great damage and they were gonna mutate like naga and satyr (many did in different ways) and blood elfs happily laughing at dead night elfs in azshara calling them amateurs. the blood elfs are not happy the night elfs accepted arcane magic and instead of uniting feel they were banished for no reason, and this is better plot than "they all lived happily ever after"
both good points, Malfurion talks of reckless magic but the emerald dream is always causing problems and he nearly sank a fleet of night elfs as nature reflected his emotions when he heard Tyrande might be dead. funny that he talked of Illidan not having control Advance the story of the blood elves, but not in this rainbows and butterflies fashion. I agree but please remember draneei are not meant to be light hippies. the first encounter with draenei was in a novel and they were led by a bada$$ and their is this paladin draenei who is in nagrand that views broekn as beasts and is happy for them to do his dirty work and torture captured horde. and the fact that most broekn were abandoned by the draenei who felt that it must be punishement from the light for some reason. The draenei would make good light zealots and would do well fighting Garrosh's new horde but blizzard does not want to develop them for some reason despite the potential /sad face |
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Edited by Taevyn on 22/02/12 15:31 (UTC)
A similar issue existed for the Dragon Aspects, yet they've since lost their immortality and the full extent of their powers. All in all, near invincible beings make for poor storytelling if they're never used because they're 'too powerful'. Though even without such beings interfering in mortal affairs, I cannot help but cringe each time I see Thrall and Malfurion. Both are arguably traitors to their people, for Thrall remained largely inactive when it came to keeping a tight leash upon the Warsong Clan and the scheming forsaken; whilst Malfurion attends Thrall's wedding despite the simple fact that it was Thrall who put Garrosh in charge of the Horde, leading to the mass slaughter of countless kaldorei throughout Kalimdor. It's that sort of depth that is largely ignored these days. The lore team are quick to kill off anything remotely morally grey when it comes to the likes of Kael'thas, Illidan and Fandral...yet they seem to conveniently overlook the consequences to the actions of their pet characters; such as Rhonin, Malfurion and Thrall. |
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anyone remember thrall slaughtering several camps of humans in warcraft 3 whose crime was being attacked by Grom and Thrall who was going to avoid them instead decided he had no choice and joined in?
I mean this is not knew, Jaina is his BFF and she seems to of forgotten that many of her PERSONAL subjects are dead because of him, and that is before we get to her dad dying in battle against the horde. It would be a great plot if Jaina resented him for their deaths but hept peace because she felt it was better than the alternative but she seems to gush all over him and happily attend his wedding, it just seems unbelievable. Also on topic I really like Bloodwatcher, he is a minor character but he has more dignity than the current blood elf faction leader and seems more like what I would consider a true blood elfs, has plenty of good traits but also hates the alliance and happily has explorers league killed (and vice versa) he can be doing things for the right reasons WITHOUT happily holding hands with is mortal enemies. Bloodwatcher would make a sweet faction leader : D |
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Or...The alliance come and wipe out the blood elves? They've got a habit of summoning the burning legion. We should go wipe them out before they go for a third time.
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Or...The alliance come and wipe out the blood elves? They've got a habit of summoning the burning legion. We should go wipe them out before they go for a third time Blood Elves have summoned the Burning Legion once. And that was because their Prince went mad, resulting in a civil war. Id like to point out the Night Elves summoned the Legion once, under similar circumstances. Swap Prince for Queen. The occaision involving the Night Elves was also far more devastating. Not to mention Illidan, a Night Elf, almost destroyed the world using the Skull of Gul'dan. A Human Prince also aided and eventually lead the Undead Scourge which currently threatens the world. So let's not start pointing fingers at races, eh? ;) |
