i should avoid public interaction because i don't blindly trust what people tell me? :D
btw i wrote i was not questioning those screenshots, it was a rethoric tool to tell that screenshots are too easy to fake to be considered an evidence,whatever they try to prove.
i would consider a solid evidence a blue post on the forum, since it's really really hard to fake.
bah been strugling to keep quiet here >_<
Someone said "its only an opinion thats its an exploit" and this is true
However it is only an Opnion that this is NOT an exploit as well, because Blizz have not confirmed one way or the other yet (recently at least)
If it is then lets see BLizz clamp down on it a bit, maybe remove achievments and temporary bans on those orgaising this.
If it isnt, then lets see Blizz state that, and lets see them implement it properly so people dont have to use "the back door" in order to organise these things.
REGARDLESS of if it is or isnt however, this activiy is ruining peoples enjoymnt of the game, so some mechanism needs to be sorted to allow the people who wat to group to still group, but keep them well away from those who want true randoms.
The only people who might be upset at such a solution are the pethetic excuses of human trash who feel that there premade needs to face of against complete randoms, and cant cope with (or more likley are to scared to - typical bully behaviour) face other premades.
q: [...] queueing more than 5 at a time is not also an exploit [...]?
I was talking about this exchange:
Q: "could you confirm for me if this addon Av enabler is indeed classed by blizzard as an exploit?"
A: "To my knowledge it doesn't do anything that you couldn't do as well by counting down for the signup in chat. All those addons do is signing up the groups simultaneously."
Q: "thats my understanding of it also, so in that respect is it fair to say that its not an exploit and that people wont be banned for using it?"
A: "To my knowledge that would be a fair assessment."
A direct question, a direct answer.
For everyone still wondering:
Today there is a special event going on in Customer Support. A few Blizzard employees will be answering questions asked by some players, as long as they are Customer Support issues.
This question is definitely a Customer Support issue, so if you want to find out whether or not they see it as legal as of now, it would be very good if as many people as possible send in their question.
You can find all info about it in here:
The event takes place on twitter, and all you have to do is send a tweet to this account:
''To my knowledge'' is hedged like hell, and as I told before (and they will confirm this) EU GM's don't have a hotline to the Devs.
From the US ticket:
The conversation of the US Ticket is at least as direct, basically there are different takes on it and that is were the problem lies: Blizzard has given no straight answer, despite tearing up the Forums for quite some time now.
Fine. No answer that would be straight enough by your standards, and a definite "no" to "is this bannable?". Good enough for me.
Edited by Microcitoma on 20/03/12 09:05 (GMT)
as Freeman pointed out you forget about 3 little words: 'to my knowledge'
you know what? they mean it's a personal opinion.
as far as i know different GMs SEEM to have different opinions, according to screenshots and other weak evidences (which i would not consider much, neither 'evidences' nor personal opinions)
according to the fact that he was telling you his personal opinion i would rather say that the answer is not a definite 'no', much more something like 'i don't think so'
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Edited by Nakatoir on 21/03/12 13:29 (GMT)
You dont know any of these people so how can you comment on them as actual people? They could easily sit here and throw slurrs at you all day also but that would be unfair on their behalf. You always have to make it personal in your posts, you really need to stop doing that as it doesn't strengthen your case in any way at all.
Stick to the topic and keep it clean is my advice.[/quote]
And what's your case, everything's fine and dandy, people should just bypass the system, make premades and roll pugs, who should just deal with it and get farmed/steamrolled in `random` bg's
Idk, I think Vot's on the money, you have a bunch of players, who use techniques to enter the same bg on voice comms, to give themselves an advantage over the other side. Who apparently couldn't care less about their opponents gameplay experience. They use this to farm honour faster than normal game play, think two teams of paintballers, picked from random draw of people, only you give half linked headsets. Who has a better chance to win that 3/5 rounds to get £50 and a round of beers prize after the match.
That fair? nope.
And to make things worse, they choose to do it. Deliberately, some justifying their actions to avoid bots, or idiot team-mates. And hiding behind blizzards indecisiveness/delays, whatever....
Speaks volumes of character huh? I could join in these farms or premades myself, there's nothing stopping me, and there's probably never going to be any bans. probably gimping myself gear wise by not jumping on the bandwagon.
But at least I can say I had the dignity not to resort to these tactics. I`ll earn my gear with wins and losses in random bg's. Maybe with a friend or two in tow, or going it solo. But at least I don't need 39 guys backing me to help me win.
Ask yourself why blizzard specifically set 5 man premades as the cap, because it caused BG unbalance. If this behaviour is allowed, doesn't that undermine the whole point of caps, why not just let us make RiD groups of 40 and queue, have done with it.
On a personal note, your very adamant to defend this behaviour, did a bit of research.
Turns out your one of these premade organisers, judging by that nice thread you have.
Milk it for all its worth right? only human nature to want to get an advantage, defend it for as long as possible to reap the benefits, I forgive you.
Edited due to vulgar language ~ Nakatoir
You have been silent on this issue Blizzard.By hell you mean fun right? that feeling you get when u dominate a pre made is awesome.
You obviously never played back in vanilla when this practice was common this system has breathed new life into Random bgs
Random "Battleground" that means yes a battleground of the games random choosing.
More and more people are playing bg's now which in the eyes of blizzard = success. I've beaten full group pre-mades queing as 5 players just because the games are "pre-made" doesn't mean there a loss.
Sounds to me your very unlucky in your player to bot ratio and lose against pre mades :P
For the umpteenth time, since you seem to have read none of the threads we already had about this 'issue'...
This is PVP. PVP is about getting an advantage over other players. Whether or not PVP is 'fair' is subjective. There is no way to make PVP 'fair' as we all disagree as to what 'fair' means. So, PVP is unfair. Inherently. Unfair. By definition. Because it's PVP.
The only true rules of PVP are those dictated by the game creators. Most of these rules are hard-coded into the game, but some might be simply stated as, say, "don't do this or we will ban you". Everything on top of these rules might as well not exist. Inventing an artificial honor code that people would have to follow on top of these rules is absolutely hopeless. We will never agree on what this honor code should contain.
The current rules allow real ID premades to queue against randoms even though randoms will in all likelihood get completely overwhelmed. The current rules also allow people to graveyard camp. The current rules also allow people to gank each other. They allow people to jump onto a single enemy as a team of ten or more simultaneously, both in BGs and in the world. They allow people to install add-ons that put big target signs on top of enemy healers to aid in training these healers. They allow people to completely lock other people out with stuns, silences and whatnot, so that they die without having a chance to counteract. They allow people to come in overpowered gear, a mix of high-level PVP and PVE, with legendaries. They allow people to run FOTM specs and setups with little or no reliable counters in arenas. They allow people to bring enchanted heirlooms into low-level BGs, which together with class imbalances sometimes makes certain players almost as powerful as the entire opposing team combined. The current rules allow all this and more. Much more.
If you have a problem with the current rules, please ask the game creator to change them. Don't demand. Ask. Politely. Don't yell at other people and don't tell them that they are exploiting the game.
Just to clarify as someone got upset, I dont see all people who use this exploit in this light, there are pleanty of non "Buly" types who just want to get away from the Bots. It is only the ones who specificaly want to farm complete random groups in a biased match, that I classify this way.
Sorry to anyone who took offence who it was not aimed at.
I gotta say, BGs have become much worse since the REAL ID implementation.
The problem is that, random BGs are no longer "random". There are no close games, its either completly dominate (as either you or another team member are in a group) or the opposite team has members in a group.
It's actually frustrating no matter what. I've seen some of the terrible answers some of the other players have given eg "its fun when you do it, get more friends lol". But like I said, joining a random BG and actually making a difference and having a close game down to the wire ... that was fun ...
Are those days gone?
As other memebers have suggested I think it's time a 2 player limit was introduced. or if you want a 5 player limit, so be it, however you will only join a game with another team that has queued as 5.
Edited by Slackalice on 20/03/12 20:53 (GMT)
Once the game integrity from 'cheating' influeneces from the likes of this (or botting, duping), honest players feel much less inclined to continue with WoW.
Either allow 5+groups to join or break this exploitative add-on.
"Real ID allows people to play with their friends" is complete b*llocks too. Your real mates would be on the same server!
I am simply comparing people who HK farm with anouther bunch of imoral low lifes who like to pick on people smaller than themselves for personal gratification.
School room bully is anouther example, but this one seems to have a bigger impact.
I am sorry if you dont like the comparison.
The point trying to be made (and ofc as always ignored) is that you shouldnt need to be told something is wrong to not do it.