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Nice post Hug (:

Well, you kinda can control it, we never had these Real ID premades for 7 years, it wasn't a thing where people just suddenly decided to up and do them, you gave them complete control in it.

Yeah sure, premades have been around since forever, but it's not premades that's the problem (Or, as much) it's the real ID ones!

Who says this? You? A couple of other people on the forums?

I am still playing BGs, still looking for real ID premades, meeting none. NONE! Do you understand?! I met NO, ZERO real ID premades, in two hundred games now.

Whiners...

Well, you kinda can control it, we never had these Real ID premades for 7 years, it wasn't a thing where people just suddenly decided to up and do them, you gave them complete control in it.

Yeah sure, premades have been around since forever, but it's not premades that's the problem (Or, as much) it's the real ID ones!

Who says this? You? A couple of other people on the forums?

I am still playing BGs, still looking for real ID premades, meeting none. NONE! Do you understand?! I met NO, ZERO real ID premades, in two hundred games now.

Whiners...

Oh please, don't lie, it' a sorry excuse for an argument when you have to twist things for your side of the argument.

Having a look at YOUR posting history you are in thread after thread telling people to make their own premade. But hey, only a "couple" of others say this right?

YOUR posts indicate that you do pre-mades yourself.

I disagree, obviously, and not only because of PVP. Real ID allows cross-realm PVE raids, which work great if you are chasing achievements, or are stranded on a low-pop realm, or have a strange time schedule, etc.

http://openraid.eu -- check it out.

Take a look at your response, for someone who doesn't do them or see them and is still looking for them, why link a site dedicated to them, can't be that great then if it were true what you was saying?

I stopped playing and organizing large premades weeks (a month?) ago. My new love is playing in a group of 5, with friends. :-)

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3389171453?page=48#947

So what is it? So you did do and organise large premades, yet you "never" see them. Perhaps you never saw them because you were IN them farming the PuGs.

I don't say these premades don't exist. I know they exist, I played in some myself.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3389171453?page=48#946

If you're going to try and make an argument, make sure you don't counter your own silly arguments in your own post history.

Nice post Hug (:

Thank you, although I couldn't get the quote to go blue :'(

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3389171453?page=48#947

So what is it? So you did do and organise large premades, yet you "never" see them. Perhaps you never saw them because you were IN them farming the PuGs.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3389171453?page=48#946

If you're going to try and make an argument, make sure you don't counter your own silly arguments in your own post history.

Ugh. I didn't contradict myself even once.

I said times and times again that I did these premades myself, then I spent several weeks not doing them and queuing alone in order to estimate their number (the math worked out to less than 2%, miniscule), and since then I queue exclusively with my friends as a group of 5.

The two hundred games I am talking about are for queuing with my friends. I did not meet a single honor farming premade in any of these two hundred games. I don't deny these premades exist, I deny they are more than a blip in an ocean of the BGs you are going to get as a random, at least if we are talking about queuing in normal times (evenings, doh). These woes about premades are vastly, VASTLY exaggerated.

"Whiners" is the right word here.

Why is this still going on? DONT STOP THE PREMADES!!!

You have been silent on this issue Blizzard.

Random BGs have become hell since you implemented the Real ID BG option.

Sure, I could join one of those farming groups, but I dont, because I find this practice utterly disgusting and unfair.

Is this your concept of balancing Random Battlegrounds? Offering the possibility for one group to be 10 times more organized agaisn't a group of people who are, basically, RANDOM?

You quite simply offered the possibility for people to go around the 5 man maximum limit offered to regular players who are not in a Real ID categorization between themselves. You tolerate that?

Sounds like to me you messed up the definition of Random BGs with Rated BGs.

Completely agree. It's bad enough having this much cc and healers to contend with in battles these days, but this crap on top of that? No thanks.

/afk and relog to another toon for bg until failserter waears off.

OP incase you were not aware you are playing an MMO (Massively multiplayer online game).
One would assume that grouping up is better and should be encouraged in such game, not trying to make it like a singleplayer game.

...I said times and times again that I did these premades myself, then I spent several weeks not doing them and queuing alone in order to estimate their number (the math worked out to less than 2%, miniscule)...These woes about premades are vastly, VASTLY exaggerated...

since you are calling others with a differing opinion to yours, liars and more recently - whiners, what's to stop you being called the same in return ?

To me it doesn't matter if it happens to a 100 % or 0,001 %, this is still an exploit... because if Blizzard had intended for people to bypass the 5-man limit, they would have taken it away by now... they are saying they can't or rather it wouldn't make much difference if they banned the addon... joining as more than 5 would still be possible.

To Blizzard: even if it wouldn't make much difference if you did ban it, why not at least make a point of banning it, just for the sake of it ?

/H.

OP incase you were not aware you are playing an MMO (Massively multiplayer online game).
One would assume that grouping up is better and should be encouraged in such game, not trying to make it like a singleplayer game.

Hiding behind the mmo fact is not a very strong argument. You playing with 5 friends makes the game more of a mmo experience than you playing with 39 complete strangers.

since you are calling others with a differing opinion to yours, liars and more recently - whiners, what's to stop you being called the same in return ?

To me it doesn't matter if it happens to a 100 % or 0,001 %, this is still an exploit... because if Blizzard had intended for people to bypass the 5-man limit, they would have taken it away by now... they are saying they can't or rather it wouldn't make much difference if they banned the addon... joining as more than 5 would still be possible.

The only guys I called liars are those who insisted they saw something like 40 premades in a row or who insisted they lost like 80 games in a row. Why not call myself a liar? Simple, do the same experiment as I did, play several tens of games without skipping and count how many premades you will meet.

Why not call myself a whiner? Also simple, I am not the one whining here.

Finally, why it matters whether premades happen in 100% or in 0.001% of the cases? That's a complete no brainer. If real ID premades are something that happens frequently, then the excessive posting on them that we see on the forums is justified, they are a real issue that needs fixing. If, on the other hand, real ID premades are something that happens rarely, then the excessive posting on them is NOT justified, they are NOT a real issue, in the vast majority of cases people are NOT losing because of them, and they only complain about them because, yes, they feel like whining about something and real ID premades seemed hip enough.

i do everyday about 10 random bg's. in the last 2 weeks ive only met 2 yes 2 premades which one we won and one we lost. So please for the love of Icyflame, Stop posting this madness!!!! stop lying ooh i get owned at the gy well too bad. I sometimes get in a grp with random ppl and we all seem to know what to do so we can gy farm adn we are not a premade. ppl take to quick a conclusion...

...The only guys I called liars are those who insisted they saw something like 40 premades in a row or who insisted they lost like 80 games in a row. Why not call myself a liar? Simple, do the same experiment as I did, play several tens of games without skipping and count how many premades you will meet.

and what if i come to a different conclusion than you, doing the experiment ?, or anyone else ? - well then we are all liars, but where's your proof to your theory ?

04/05/2012 19:59Posted by Zakkar

Why not call myself a whiner? Also simple, I am not the one whining here.

but you are ?, you are whining over people with differing opinions to yours

04/05/2012 19:59Posted by Zakkar

Finally, why it matters whether premades happen in 100% or in 0.001% of the cases? That's a complete no brainer. If real ID premades are something that happens frequently, then the excessive posting on them that we see on the forums is justified, they are a real issue that needs fixing. If, on the other hand, real ID premades are something that happens rarely, then the excessive posting on them is NOT justified, they are NOT a real issue, in the vast majority of cases people are NOT losing because of them, and they only complain about them because, yes, they feel like whining about something and real ID premades seemed hip enough.

anything that affects gameplay in a negative way, should be addressed... end of story... tell me what constitutes a justified complaint ?, if you see a speedhack inside a bg, every 2nd week... that isn't really such a big deal, is it ?... not justifiable to report, if someone climbs a wall inside WSG (making themselves untargetable)... if that only happens 2 times a month, then that isn't a reportable offense either... or NOT a big enough issue...

once more, you're making a statement that contradicts others'.... why are you the one telling the truth, and the others are the liars ?

seing how much you defend what constitutes as an exploit, or if you prefer the worthing "bending of rules"... i for one, know whom i will believe more

/H.

^^ why the hate? How often do you meet premades so they ruin your game experience?

Are you just signing up for randoms and nothing else?

The premades don't sign for randoms. They play the bg weekends of notable oppurtunity and the 40 man bgs, although I assume, you guys already know this.

This explains why the chance of meeting them is still relatively low, but it does NOT mean these groups and ANY kind of premade is not an issue. It is happening, it is not stopping and more and more players will end up experiencing being on the recieving end of them.

The premades don't sign for randoms.

Could you please define what you mean with premades? when I do BGs with my guild/friends we 90% of the times queue for random, so could you be abit more precise?

04/05/2012 00:18Posted by Traycee

There is not as much fuss about this on the US forums. So nothing is likely to happen as they are deaf and blind to what Europe thinks.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it, and I completly agree with Blizzard choice.

Why not call myself a liar? Simple, do the same experiment as I did, play several tens of games without skipping and count how many premades you will meet.
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and what if i come to a different conclusion than you, doing the experiment ?, or anyone else ? - well then we are all liars, but where's your proof to your theory ?

If you come to a different conclusion than myself, fine, we can discuss this and look into why we are doing the same thing and getting different results.

04/05/2012 21:37Posted by Hunny

anything that affects gameplay in a negative way, should be addressed... end of story

Indeed, except that the game is huge, there are many things that the dev team can do, and with that it is totally acceptable that they do exactly nothing about things that affect small amounts of people. In fact, there's no other way. You have to prioritize, and when you do this you find that some of your issues are at the bottom of the queue and will likely never get fixed. You'd like to fix them, sure, but new, more important, issues come up constantly and you just spend all your time on them.

05/05/2012 00:28Posted by Frazzlebeard

Are you just signing up for randoms and nothing else?

Mostly Wsg and Ab for rep. And still no premades. I dont see the fuzz. I did some premades in Av and Ioc just for hk's but yea. Mostly i try to que with 5 ppl for wsg and Ab. We sometimes lose but thats ok. Its like flying in an airplane and thinking ur gonna crash but you wont.

Blizz keeps implementing features, abilities and "quality of life changes" (what a big joke)that are not fun to play with or against, then scratch their heads wondering why subs drop.

They will not stop until only a handful of players remain.

05/05/2012 12:10Posted by Carmela

They will not stop until only a handful of players remain.

good, cant wait