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Dont know why sanctuary does more heal that healing rain when i see recount and theres 1380 ticks of healing rain and 1027holy word sanctuary of cuerse sanctuary does more overhealing that healing rain.
I supposed that healing rain is stronger that sanctuary and simply wanna try to understand who can be it posibble, maybe a mistake callecting data on recount or worl of logs?bug?

Quite simple really, healing rain has a built in target cap of 6.
Say one tick does 1000 healing, and 6 people stand in, healing rain would do 6000 healing.
Now imagine 12 people standing in it, healing rain will heal for 500 each, putting the total on 6000.

Holy word: Sanctuary on the other hand has no such cap and for that reason gets progressivly strong the more people are standing inside.
Say a single tick does 500, with 6 people inside the total healing would be 3000.
With 12 people inside the total healing would be 6000.

In the example above healing rain is stronger then holy word upto 11 targets, at 12 they are identical and at 13 holy word wins.

Quite simple really, healing rain has a built in target cap of 6.
Say one tick does 1000 healing, and 6 people stand in, healing rain would do 6000 healing.
Now imagine 12 people standing in it, healing rain will heal for 500 each, putting the total on 6000.

Holy word: Sanctuary on the other hand has no such cap and for that reason gets progressivly strong the more people are standing inside.
Say a single tick does 500, with 6 people inside the total healing would be 3000.
With 12 people inside the total healing would be 6000.

In the example above healing rain is stronger then holy word upto 11 targets, at 12 they are identical and at 13 holy word wins.

Completely wrong.

Sanctuary has a longer cooldown. You can keep healing rain up pretty much all the time compared to sanctuary. Now please stop debating something so trivial when the only reason holy priests are in raids now is because of how strong divine hymn is.

One day people will realise that you cannot just compare one spell to another like this thread tries too.

You have to compare classes as a whole or don't bother at all.

Quite simple really, healing rain has a built in target cap of 6.
Say one tick does 1000 healing, and 6 people stand in, healing rain would do 6000 healing.
Now imagine 12 people standing in it, healing rain will heal for 500 each, putting the total on 6000.

Holy word: Sanctuary on the other hand has no such cap and for that reason gets progressivly strong the more people are standing inside.
Say a single tick does 500, with 6 people inside the total healing would be 3000.
With 12 people inside the total healing would be 6000.

In the example above healing rain is stronger then holy word upto 11 targets, at 12 they are identical and at 13 holy word wins.

Completely wrong.

Sanctuary has a longer cooldown. You can keep healing rain up pretty much all the time compared to sanctuary. Now please stop debating something so trivial when the only reason holy priests are in raids now is because of how strong divine hymn is.

That's your Opinion, don't state it as fact. Also, with the new Tier 13 4 set, you can almost keep Sanctuary up all the time.
In my opinion, Holy is a very strong spec, even without Divine Hymn, I can often dish out strong healing, while mana conservation is usually no issue for me.

Back OT, Sanctuary procs Mastery, so it gives bonus heals anyway, the two abilities are roughly similar in power, as Blizzard intended. If you're trying to compare the two classes based on this single ability then:

One day people will realise that you cannot just compare one spell to another like this thread tries too.

You have to compare classes as a whole or don't bother at all.

^^ This

Make sure to include the Earthliving procs in the healing done by Healing Rain. Also keep in mind that it won't be very impressive on targets near full health, while it's absolutely insane (mastery + Blessing of the Eternals) if the raid drops down to 30%.

18/02/2012 05:06Posted by Kelsith

That's your Opinion, don't state it as fact. Also, with the new Tier 13 4 set, you can almost keep Sanctuary up all the time.

Pls stop giving wrong info. Lets do simple calculation :
Sanctuary has 40 sec cd. Tome of Light gives us 30% cd reduction - 40secs *0.7=28 sec cd
Sanctuary lasts 18 sec. T13 bonus 4 gives us 33% more uptime - 18secs *1.33= 23.94 sec duration

So it is impossible to stay 28 sec. If you mean HW: Serenity, then yeah, it stays 6 ses*1.33= 7.98 secs uptime.

Don't give wrong information.

I won't compare HR and HW: Sanctuary. I just wanna say for 10 man HW: Sanctuary cannot even try to compare to my DH. Sanctuary is used by me only for extra aoe healing as I've said like 10 times in other thread, while HR is a main healing tool for 10 and 25 man for shaman, because it's what blizz gave to shamans.

18/02/2012 08:23Posted by Sanzul

Make sure to include the Earthliving procs in the healing done by Healing Rain. Also keep in mind that it won't be very impressive on targets near full health, while it's absolutely insane (mastery + Blessing of the Eternals) if the raid drops down to 30%.

ya i know its impressive a shaman full mastery with low health on raid but i read both spell, i have both classes and know is talents and really dont know how sactuary can heal more than healing rain even with all raid at 100%.
Eco of light appear like a diferent spell but healing rain even with mastery dont heal more than sancturay. people said that is a mistake compare spell but its blizzard who said that healing rain its a main spell in shaman (they use 2 spell when have a hard damage on raid)and its perfectly normal that heal more than the rest of healing aoes.

18/02/2012 11:27Posted by Poligonero

Eco of light appear like a diferent spell but healing rain even with mastery dont heal more than sancturay. people said that is a mistake compare spell but its blizzard who said that healing rain its a main spell in shaman (they use 2 spell when have a hard damage on raid)and its perfectly normal that heal more than the rest of healing aoes.

So don't you think HR is a main aoe healing tool. The other way I saw it is to use Tridal Waves healing, isn't it?

Quite simple really, healing rain has a built in target cap of 6.
Say one tick does 1000 healing, and 6 people stand in, healing rain would do 6000 healing.
Now imagine 12 people standing in it, healing rain will heal for 500 each, putting the total on 6000.

Holy word: Sanctuary on the other hand has no such cap and for that reason gets progressivly strong the more people are standing inside.
Say a single tick does 500, with 6 people inside the total healing would be 3000.
With 12 people inside the total healing would be 6000.

In the example above healing rain is stronger then holy word upto 11 targets, at 12 they are identical and at 13 holy word wins.

Completely wrong.

Sanctuary has a longer cooldown. You can keep healing rain up pretty much all the time compared to sanctuary. Now please stop debating something so trivial when the only reason holy priests are in raids now is because of how strong divine hymn is.

Excuse me? You are questioning a completely valid MATHEMATICAL reason over something as silly as 'it has no cooldown'?
HW:S Still has a cooldown, and even with the set bonus does not last 100% of it's cooldown. (Granted, only by a small margin)

We are not talking about hyhm or anything, all the OP asked was why the two were so different and why the priest one comes up on top.
DIMINISHING RETURNS is why priests come on top, HW:S has no D/R!

ya i know its impressive a shaman full mastery with low health on raid but i read both spell, i have both classes and know is talents and really dont know how sactuary can heal more than healing rain even with all raid at 100%.

The original answer given is correct.
HW:S has - purposely - no target-cap. This is because Holy already has options for dealing with per-group and limited-target damage situations. What it needed was a full-blanket ability, and HW:S fills that - which is also why it's so much weaker in 10man than in 25man.

...healing rain its a main spell in shaman (they use 2 spell when have a hard damage on raid)...

Actually, a shaman who knows what he's doing will be using four different healing spells for heavy AoE damage, not counting keeping Earth Shield up: Healing Rain, Chain Heal, Riptide and Healing Stream. Then Earthliving on top of that. During very heavy AoE damage, Healing Rain will do around 30% of a shaman's total healing.

No matter how OP Sanctuary is in 25, and I finally got a great use of it, it is quite stupid they have not yet fixed the target limitation on this spell. Tooltips still states diminishing returns!!

This makes it strong in 25's but pulling Holy down in 10 mans.

Another thing that would be easy enough to hotfix, but nooe... Devs shines with their lack of presence when it comes to playing a healer in WoW once again.

18/02/2012 13:12Posted by Drena

This makes it strong in 25's but pulling Holy down in 10 mans.

And my question is this: what's the place of your renew and your HW: Sanctuary in the meters?

No matter how OP Sanctuary is in 25, and I finally got a great use of it, it is quite stupid they have not yet fixed the target limitation on this spell. Tooltips still states diminishing returns!!

This makes it strong in 25's but pulling Holy down in 10 mans.

Honestly? Keep it that way it is.
Yes I know, 10/25 imbalance. I don't care, it makes it unique among PBAE/GTAE heals, and IMO it's quite ok if classes synergize instead of differing. I'd actually go full-circle on this and make some AE heals never scale beyond a handfu... *looks at CoH*...

(What I mean is, CoH + HW:S are a package where one spell is better the less targets you need to heal, considering group survivability, the other is better the more there are, again, considering group survivability. Yes I know, meters disagree, meters can burn unless they're death logs because that's the meter I'm concerned about as a Healer.)

18/02/2012 13:21Posted by Dreffan

And my question is this: what's the place of your renew and your HW: Sanctuary in the meters?

http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/16608/

Differs, but no doubt it does quite a lot of healing on some fights, especially considering how long CD it has.

I don't use a lot of Renews in hc, I prefer pre-casting PoH, the fight I did use it was normal Hagara, and very rarely pre-hotting, that's about it. Why you ask?

Honestly? Keep it that way it is.Yes I know, 10/25 imbalance. I don't care

Hm, I do care about Holy Priest balance in 10's. Too often it means going Disc is a better option.

Honestly? Keep it that way it is.Yes I know, 10/25 imbalance. I don't care, it makes it unique among PBAE/GTAE heals, and IMO it's quite ok if classes synergize instead of differing. I'd actually go full-circle on this and make some AE heals never scale beyond a handfu... *looks at CoH*...

I want to tell my oppinion about CoH vs Sanc aswell. CoH is a button you press a lot compared to Sanc. Yet CoH usually is quite low on meters compared to Sanc. I do think the balance between those spells are off in 25 mans.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/16608/

Differs, but no doubt it does quite a lot of healing on some fights, especially considering how long CD it has.

I don't use a lot of Renews in hc, I prefer pre-casting PoH, the fight I did use it was normal Hagara, and very rarely pre-hotting, that's about it. Why you ask?

First I went to ultraxion kill to see what's would WoG say. And your HW: Sanctuary is first (proabbably wiht alexstrazsa buff).

I do ask you this question, because HW: Sanctuary is your main healing tool in DS in 25 man (maybe the diminish bug is intended idk), but in 10 man my HW: Sanctuary cannot go into top 5 whle renew is quite first in some fights. I mean there is a diff stlye in 10 and 25 man, and maybe these 2 abilities are that difference.

Yes:) That is exactly what I am getting at Dreffan.

I don't think the diminishing bug was intended at all. But when they had recieved so much complain about the spell, my guess is they just let it be to make us shut up about it?:)

Oh, and Edit; Ultraxion is not a good fight to compare it on. Especially not a Holy Priest with red buff.