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souldrinker roll bonus and deal
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i'm terribly sorry for doing this, i know there must be other posts on this issue, but it feels like we're not getting an aswer on this, or a solution, or not even a blue saying it's working as intended and it won't be changed(u know at this pint i'de even be fine just with that!).
Souldrinker is a tank weapon. having dual wielding class rolling on it is not fair. Especialy when from the same boss they already get a 2h weapon they can use. all of the str dps have in fact a use for the 2h, while tank have no other weapon to all to go for. why do you think every tank lucky enough to have it drop is using hand of morchok ? cause they can't get their hand on souldrinker, that's the only reason to use a dps weapon over it. the fact that melee strenght user have no other strenght 1h weapon to go for is a problem too tho. there's no other stat weapon to go for form lfr, and from normal mode there's only one! ONE! we are effectively sharing a weapon on lfr without any alternatives, and it's ridicolous. while from the same boss there's a agility dagger without a proc dropping, on top of the axe. why ? why there's so many agility daggers(at least 3, on top of the legendary this tier) and a mace(ultrax) and a sword(from trash) and an axe(with proc) from ds instead of tanking weapon or another dps weapon ? it's not fair. how hard can it be to make a strenght version of no'kalek(the axe with fire/frost/shadow proc, probs mispellig name) ? OR to make one of those mace(from ultrax), sword(trash drop), a tank weapon ? or even just another strenght weapon with hit/mastery expertise/mastery so that both tanks and dps could effectively have a JUST viable alternative to souldrinker ? i can't believe it wasn't looked at properly before it got live. it's not fair. Solve this issue, the sooner the best, please. or at least let us know whyu're not doing it, it can't be you don't care, could it be that's the plan ? make dps weapon usable by tanks too ? will the next step be removing tank gear like guardian bears use dps agi leather is that the plan ? you CAN tell us soemthing at least right.. it's a bit too early i get it but at least it'd settle my head everytime a dps needs on souldrinker. uff.. |
Yeah but that's only because there's nothing else for 1h Str users, im sure if there was ANY other Str onehander, SD wouldn't be BiS for FW/DK's. |
false. rando trivia : normal souldrinker is better than heroic morchocks 1h str axes. So there goes your theory. The problem with people like OP is that, they aere so used to have some unique easy to gain items. So called tank only items. Now they ahve something shared and it is something tyheir brain cannot grasp. Blashbemy! Loot must be shared with dps ? how dare they roll on "my" i weapon ? Souldrinker is noth dps and tank weapon. Oh yes, do armory me and admire my offspec weapons ... two of them. Blashemy I have 2 souldrinkers on my elven hands ! Greed, my friends ... is a terrible thing. |
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I lost the roll multiple times in LFR, in the end I just waited and got it through my guild. Far easier and better. I hate it when I see DK and warriors duel wielding them in PvP also, very difficult to kill already now it makes them even harder.
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.. not that DW dk is hard to kill in PvP. They are probably only melee in modern days that can be stunlocked... |
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if u had taken the time to go past "souldrinker is a tank weapon" everyone's quoting u'd notice. that i myself would love to go for another weapon and gladly share souldrinker with the dps.
the Fact is easy to understand: I've no other alternatives. you do. how does it makes it fair to share the only weapon i could possibly use, coming from the last boss of the raid, with another class or role, that apart from everything have 1 other alternative to it ? The Issue i see is having no alternatives. there's only another strenght(crit/mastery) weapon in the whole instance. There's no other tank suitable weapon in the whole raid. There's no weapon that drops from madness with dps 1hdw in mind. And really, the fact souldrinker is Bis for your class doesn't make it a dps weapon. the proc is a heal, the damage part and high proc chance is there to make it viable over a static increase of your mastery, providing an almost constant stream of heals, is tank stuff, if u can't see it, my friend, that's not my fault. I'm NOT saying that you should pass on it, i'm NOT saying that it's not the best weapon you could get at this moment in time. i know it is. I'm just saying that they should have known better, made more weapon to choose from for you(as 1h dps) for me(as tank) and most importantly an alternative weapon proc for the dps, rather than make us share the same weapon with you. and i do want to understand why it hasnt been done. |
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Excuse me? sure it heals but it dose damage scaled by health pool and melee dpses has hige health pool from their gear The only thing i have to say is that Blood dks shoulden´t get roll bonus |
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Lets see, OP mentions souldrinker, complains that dps "steals" it.
At the same time he says nothing about the other weapon dropping from DW with a tank only stat on it (armour) and nothing about how dps "steals" that one. Neither does he mention that dks really don't have a proper tank weapon from LFR at all. So tell me, is the OP a huge hypocrite, or is he merely ignorant? |
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OP is right, its a tank weapon ofc and dps need over it only because of lazy Blizzard. Due to that there is no 1-hander for frost DKs and fury Warrs.
However healers having the hardest times at LFR since all dps can roll over all gear and even over healing trinkets - thats pure stupidity and laziness There is also a dagger designed only for ele shaman (locks, spriests, mages have to need that as well, if they do not want that staff with haste) and noone seems to !@#$%ing around it :P |
This simply is not correct (unless you believe rolling is the same as rolling without a +100 role bonus). If anything it's the opposite as several spirit items does not grant the role bonus to hybrid dps casters. |
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Edited by Lykorian on 18/02/12 18:26 (UTC)
ofc I ment roll and win with bonus you dumbass..also what else than Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps would you imagine as proper DK tanking weapon?
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Except that DPS DO NOT GET THE ROLE BONUS ON HEALING ONLY TRINKETS OR ITEMS (spirit alone does not make something healing only btw, due to it being a dps stat for hybrid casters, though as I noted there's actually a few spirit items, including the only caster offhand in lfr, that ONLY healers get a role bonus on). And if you think a weapon with no passive stats and a dps only procc a dk tanking weapon, I'd like to have some if what you're smoking. Ie, you're wrong and doubly wrong, and like the OP completely ignoring that it's the exact same case with the "druid tanking weapon" which is the best (and only) option for hunters and dps ferals in lfr. |
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And if you think a weapon with no passive stats and a dps only procc a dk tanking weapon, I'd like to have some if what you're smoking.What are you smoking when you thing DK needs some passive stats on weapon? You certainly have never tanked as DK, have you? |
So, please tell us why a damage only procc beats secondary stats for a dk tank? |
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Yeah, tell me why should i prefer some dmg proc over 550 mastery+dodge rating? |
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I found it funny my enhancement shaman get roll bonus on spirit iteams
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Edited by Azriyel on 19/02/12 03:29 (UTC)
There's no other tank suitable weapon in the whole raid. Since mastery is part of making CTC- the morchocks axe is one of the candidates. But apparently you have idee fix on item levels, now do you ? There's no weapon that drops from madness with dps 1hdw in mind. There is. It's called Souldrinker. [And really, the fact souldrinker is Bis for your class doesn't make it a dps weapon. You really believe what you just typed ? This claim is so far from the common sense that I do not even know would you even understand if Id explain. Did you know that a dps dk gets highr HPS from souldrinker than tank does ? Did you know that the drain part is higher for DW dps than tank has ... now do explain me why it should be more of tank weapon ? Oh snap you cant explain it, now can you ? the proc is a heal, the damage part and high proc chance is there to make it viable over a static increase of your mastery, providing an almost constant stream of heals, is tank stuff, if u can't see it, my friend, that's not my fault. As i said : a DW DK gets higher HPS form souldrinker than warrior tank, and due this 'fact' I do ask where and how you have developed the idea that souldrinker is tank weapon ? I'm just saying that they should have known better, made more weapon to choose from for you(as 1h dps) for me(as tank) and most importantly an alternative weapon proc for the dps, rather than make us share the same weapon with you. and i do want to understand why it hasnt been done. There is alternative weapon which is as viable for tanks, the fact you think you do not need the mastery from it, is not Blizzard fault. They have offered you an alternative, with the socket and all. All i see from your posts is that you do not like sharing loot with dps and I'd have one advice to you. Get over from your unique snowflake status as tank and learn to share. |
OP is right, its a tank weapon ofc and dps need over it only because of lazy Blizzard. Due to that there is no 1-hander for frost DKs and fury Warrs. I reoeat myself to you. There's perfectly viable 1h weapon for SMF and Frosties. It is called Souldrinker. tanks for so long have not had need to share loot with dps and once they do it arises huge problem and battle of egos. You see I am a frostie, who in WoTLK shared loot with rogues, in cataclysm shared BiS weapons with tanks ... and always it was rogues and tanks that got prio form me. Now there's souldrinker which I can set foot on and say : mates, its not rogue/tank weapon that is my band-aid fix... souldrinker is 1st weapon that works for Frosties and SMF from scratch. WHY it is so hard for some people to understand that they no longer have nearly 100% chanche to get their loot, but may have to share ? WHY it is so challenging for some folk ? |
