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Should I really use "Click to Heal Addons"?
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Hello, I'm currently looking into rerolling PvE healing on my priest, but the thing that is making hesitant about is about using the click to heal addons, should I really be using them to look like a "baws" or do people actually raid 25 man hc and stuff without using them? Any thoughts and comments are appreciated, thanks! :)
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They help a whole lot in any situation where your healing targets are not predictable. That being said you don't necessary need tools for them (mouseover-macros work just fine for many).
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Only addon I use is grid. I would however dont want to raid without that, I can however still do that. For the rest. Its many times I hear people that use stuff like healbot, not being able to heal without healbot. That makes you dependend on an addon and imo thats a bad thing.
Im not saying you shouldnt use anything you want or can use. I just don't. |
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What Click addons of mouseover macros does is to reduce two clicks to one click, which is a reduction in amount of time it takes from recognising someone needs a heal, until that person is actually healed - ofc click addons often require you to click a button on your keyboard at the SAME time, unless you have the razer naga or whatever it's called, but ey, that's what you got two hands for.
In healing, a speedy reaction and a sound judgement is essential - if you can heal as good as everyone else using the two-click method (click frame, then click heal), nobody is going to call you on it, but do consider that with the one-click method, you'd be *even* better. |
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Edited by Dawson on 09/03/12 13:27 (GMT)
I just can't understand why targeting would be any slower then mouse-over healing. Even if you're hard capped on haste you have a whole second (GCD) to target some1 before you can heal. On the other hand im not sure how mouse-over healers move while healing. Keyboard turning ftw?
I use vuh'do with left button bound to "target". |
Usually I keep my mouse hovering over vuhdo bars while healing with Shift, Alt or Ctrl+certain click, while I move with wasd and turn with mouse. It takes some getting used to but years of practise has proved it the perfect method for me. I also use mouseover macros. |
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Edited by Nuvielle on 10/03/12 01:10 (GMT)
I just can't understand why targeting would be any slower then mouse-over healing. Even if you're hard capped on haste you have a whole second (GCD) to target some1 before you can heal. On the other hand im not sure how mouse-over healers move while healing. Keyboard turning ftw? It does get keyboard turny but for me Grid and mouseover macroes work pretty well with wasd, as you can move and strafe while casting. If there's a real hurry I also have some target spells I can mash while doublepressing the mouse (innuendotime!). I don't like Clique though, I tried it for 2 raids and it simply wasn't for me. I also healed without mouseovers before that and for a druid there's a minute difference in output. You can heal heroic Sindy without mouseovers ^^ But I did try mouseovers because I wanted to move faster over grid and that extra click does take more time, especially on savers. I love my grid, I don't want to be without it. I can if needed and the new UI is MUCH better than the old which was the one I started healing with in Kara. It's just..personally better:) |
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Edited by Lwyn on 09/03/12 14:10 (GMT)
I just can't understand why targeting would be any slower then mouse-over healing. Even if you're hard capped on haste you have a whole second (GCD) to target some1 before you can heal. On the other hand im not sure how mouse-over healers move while healing. Keyboard turning ftw? I just can't understand how someone can question that two actions takes more time than one. By the time that GCD is over your tank may have taken a massive hit and you'll have to change your mind about who you've got to heal first. PS: I use the mouse for healing and movement - that gcd you mentioned is good for meny things. PSS: Some people use the wasd keys for moving. PSSS: On the other hand im not sure how targetclick healers move while healing. Keyboard turning ftw? (backatcya) PSSSS: If you have to click the frame to begin with, to target, why NOT bind a heal to the same action? PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.... you get the picture: I don't really care as long as you keep people alive. A targetclicker who knows what he's doing will beat any mouseclicker who doesn't, and probably come close enough to any mouseclicker who DOES that nobody will ever notice. I was just pointing out that 1+1=2 and 2>1. Didn't really expect an argument on it (it's pretty simple math, after all), and therefore made me roll my eyes. |
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The conceptual difference between mouseover-macros and clickcasting addons is that with a mouseover-macro, you trigger the heal with the key, on the target your mouse-cursor is on (this works even when pointing at them in the 3D-world).
With a clickcasting-addon you have some specific mousebased trigger, say, Alt+Leftclick. If you want to give mouseover macros a shot, here's a sample macro: #showtooltipThis tries to first cast Renew on the target you mouse over, assuming it's a friendly target, if not it tries your target, if not it tries your target's target, and if that all fails you get the glowy hand. |
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Keyboards? dose they still exist? http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_IE/pd/productID.221675100 http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_IE/pd/productID.220156700 For the win? |
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You don't need any addons or macro's to heal. I never used any addons to heal and I never will. I never used them, because you don't need them to be a good healer. Another reason is, because I always see people freaking out after a patch. They got used to the addon and can't heal without it.
You could always try the addons if you want to, just to see what you prefer. |
You don't need any addons or macro's to heal. I never used any addons to heal and I never will. I never used them, because you don't need them to be a good healer. Another reason is, because I always see people freaking out after a patch. They got used to the addon and can't heal without it. Nor does it appear you are raiding either, so why would you need an addon? You sound like a person that just heard rumours. Addons dont break unless you dont update them for several patches and the game changes something drastic in its engine. The blizz ui bugs plenty, even outside patches. Even to update them it takes 5 minutes, and generally you update other addons if you raid - atleast DBM and you still need to update something. That being said, I believe you can heal fine with the blizz UI. Its just very rigid and lacks options. If you dont need more than a simple basic UI, then its cool. But really, stop imagining non-existant hardships of addon users. |
You don't need any addons or macro's to heal. I never used any addons to heal and I never will. I never used them, because you don't need them to be a good healer. Another reason is, because I always see people freaking out after a patch. They got used to the addon and can't heal without it. Not sure what addons those people use, but no healing addon has broken on patches yet, all they really entail is enhanced Raid frames and mouseover macro's, nothing major. |
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Only addon I use is grid. I would however dont want to raid without that, I can however still do that. For the rest. Its many times I hear people that use stuff like healbot, not being able to heal without healbot. That makes you dependend on an addon and imo thats a bad thing. just to wake you up, grid and healbot are in biglines the same. used them both and the big difference is that grid needs more addons to do the same then healbot and grid is a bit more customable.
good healer is relatif i guess since i'm pretty sure you never keep up with a healer who uses macros or addons. |
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If you were talking about my gear, i just dinged a few days ago and i'm still gearing up. I am raiding and healing on two of my other chars and i never used a healing addon to heal. I never needed one and no one has ever complained about it. You sound like a person that just heard rumours. Addons dont break unless you dont update them for several patches and the game changes something drastic in its engine. The blizz ui bugs plenty, even outside patches. Even to update them it takes 5 minutes, and generally you update other addons if you raid - atleast DBM and you still need to update something. I remember a while back when a new patch came out and I had to read lots of spam in trade channel about healers crying, because healbot wasn't working and they couldn't heal without it. why would they need an addon to heal. Last time i checked you could still heal without it. I never said that healing with addons is harder. I just said that you don't need them and you should choose whether it fits your playing style or not.
I never had any problems keeping up with other healers or outhealing them. If i had trouble with keeping up I would have installed some healing addons a long time ago. |
I never had any issues with healing addons, even when not updating them for several patches, so dunno what you're on about. As far as I heard the blizz Ui bugs plenty, so whats the big deal? And no offense, but what sort of content did you heal and on what classes? Some classes are more dependent on knowing buffs/debuffs that you just cant personalize on the blizz ui, since it has 0 options. Sure, I never claimed you absolutely need healing addons. However, the blizz ui information is too limited for me. I'm using Tukui, which funny enough, takes less memory than blizz standard ui, while having more utility and cleaner looks. Also, blizz standard ui looks kinda !@#$. |
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Edited by Kenjai on 12/03/12 21:01 (GMT)
The main disadvantages of not using mouseovers in any shape or form are simply;
*You can't switch between an enemy target + healing target without looking at your target. This also makes quick interruption harder (not applicable to DS) *The tiny delay can rarely end up in the healing target's death. The main disadvantage of Mouseovers is simply; *You can only heal and move if you have properly keybound/mousebound your auto run. (imo) Jump-moving is another way to get around it with practice. There's nothing wrong with either, but for people wanting to min-max, mouseovers is the way to go. The differences aren't huge but they still exist. |
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Why fix something if its not broken? Dregan feels fine going with the bare minimum - its his choice, stop trying to convince him otherwise.
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