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[Guide] Frost Shock & You: Elemental Shaman PvE
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Edited by Copperkop on 15/03/12 11:30 (GMT)
Well i love guide's for ele shaman on this forum as we hardly got any as we speak.
Got a few pointers, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2A: Totems Water totem: Tranq > Healing stream, unless a paladin provide this buff than Healing stream of course Earth Totem: As Lorux says, Earth elemental, oké his damage is not high but it does around 500/1000 extra damage for the time he is up. Not to forget stoneskin totem as so many classes these days bring the str/agi buff people forget the armor buff. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4: Talents You may want to add this build, http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3061918586 The long uptime of Fire ele, on some encounters this could be better than our basic build Like unsleeping, with some heavy dark phase action this could be a huge WIN WIN ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 5: Glyph's Not 100% agree on your choice there, as FS > LAVB, when you got a heavy movement fight it Unleash + FS + LB/LAVB depends a bit, in T12 is was LAVB but now LB could be a better pick. On a encounter like unsleeping i use unleash+fs+fire ele, But on a encounter like warlord unleash+fs+lavb could be better for the scaling. While on morchock LB may be better than LAVB. Worth testing and see the results tbh ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 8: Gem's / enchants / Reforging I would add the epic gems as well, they are so cheap these days and overall a really good boost on your damage, checking my gear i gain a easy 190 more int from the epic gems. Boot enchant, well with T13 you want to get mastery all the way, you can use mastery enchant on boots if you get .5 or .0 mastery, as you want to aim for a .0 or a .5 number in mastery Coming to reforging: 20.22 mastery is the same as 20.0 mastery why? As you only gain mastery by each 0.5 points, So you want to aim for a flat or 1/2 number. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Overall judgement, good guide to start of with. But at the end it's all about knowing what to do on the right time :) I think allot of ele shaman out there can learn from this guide Well done, askt for sticky so :) |
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I have a question about stats.
Which stat should I prioritize after being hit capped, have the 4 set bonus, and have about 2281 haste? I was thinking of going for 2200 haste and then focus on mastery. Thats what the pros seem to be doing. Any advice? |
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All i have to comment on the price of gems very much server-server i can believe that Outland's gems are quite cheap due to the high pop but on my server, Balnazzar, the prices still suck and i rely on clusters for epic gems :x |
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Edited by Copperkop on 16/03/12 08:59 (GMT)
price of gems are around 300/1000g , With a money stack of a few hundred K all items are cheap. Could be the server, or that we farm it with 2a4 alts as well.....
@ shamdamme: your question should be answered in the guide if i'm correct, check the stat weight |
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Edited by Staticbolt on 16/03/12 14:39 (GMT)
The stat priority for lvl 85 is as follows: The current Stat Weight (e.g. the value of the stat to an Elemental Shaman) is as follows: There is difference between what you are saying and the stat weights, can you explain that? http://www.maxdps.com/shaman/elemental.php Is showing other stats weights, that looks closer to what you are saying. mastery: 1.67 haste: 1.55 But I don't know this site very well, but it does seem to count in the new 4.3 gear. It looks more correct than the data from tankspot. |
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Edited by Copperkop on 16/03/12 14:25 (GMT)
Stat weight's are not hard numbers never are never will be. They change with the gear. They only can give some kind of few with what kind of stat you want to aim for.
So far from result it's good to have a strong amount of haste and put all other stats into mastery. Haste still is a 100% sure upgrade on DPS, while Mast is still a RNG stat for us shaman. Even that it is more usefull than before. Thanks to the current set bonus. From my PoV, i will never go below 2100 haste again, at this moment i got +/- 2700/2700 on haste/mast, This seems to work for me. Give's decent numbers on the meters. In my PoV, it is good to have allot from both, |
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*bump need a ele guide sticky on this forum....
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Edited by Topazmace on 02/04/12 09:13 (BST)
Finally got round to amending this. The guide should be much easier to read now, and much more informative..
Will add more Macro's when I get the chance. |
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indeed, allot better to read :) well done
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Edited by Copperkop on 02/04/12 12:23 (BST)
got few more addons that works really well to
Cooldowns http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/cooldowns Addon that shows the CD of a spell really nice to check the time left for some CD's Ow and not to forget skada, I self don't use meters as i have logs to track my dps. But people say that skada works better and has less lag than recount Skada http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/skada -------------------------------------------------------- Something else maybe, a extra part for UI, as a clear UI > anything else. If a addon is blocking your view you will fail in PvE np My main UI is Elvui + Bartender Elvui http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/elvui Bartender4 http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/bartender4 -------------------------------------------------------- MACRO's Mouseover macro's for Wind Shear as example. As in the past it has shown that this works really well on encounters like Cho'gall for example Could work with hex to so yeah ;) |
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Edited by Staticbolt on 02/04/12 12:30 (BST)
I wonder why this still isn't a sticky.
Staticbolt kicks a crab and says "Do your magic!" Mmh.. This one doesn't do anything... anymore. I guess it was the wrong one. I'm pretty sure if I kick enough crabs in dark shore, it will get sticky. PS: For some reason the forum "crabby" is immune for kicks, I guess he is using the dungeon finder and keeps on pulling annoyed players. |
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Edited by Copperkop on 02/04/12 12:35 (BST)
crabby says this:
From what I gather, Topazmace posted some stuff about something interesting. Then 30 people said some things in response anyhow need this sticky tbh. so we can update it easy every new patch/exp |
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Edited by Staticbolt on 02/04/12 12:52 (BST)
Aye, he does.
It looks like you're trying to reply to this thread. Would you like help? You know they usually remove all the stickies when the new expansion comes out. That's quite normal even duck tape loses it's strength over time. They might put a new tape over it, but even than that shouldn't be a problem he could copy-paste a big part of the "sticky" and rework it. |
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Edited by Zynesta on 02/04/12 15:26 (BST)
Nicely written guide and easy to read.
I agree with almost everything copper said. But fire elemental glyph is hardly needed anymore on any Dragon Soul encounter due to the x% nerfs to the bosses witch results in the bosses just dropping so fast. As far as the talents go, I think the suggestion of getting that bit longer Fire elemental with speccing into Totemic focus is realy nice. Personally i prefer this spec unless on fights like Madness / Spine / Warmaster / hagara where it is kinda useless to have a longer Fire elemental. Personally i also prefer to get Ancestral resolve over Elemental warding. Just because we are mostly casting and the 10% damage reduction also counts for physical damage what is a huge plus on a fight like spine or warmaster. If i'm not mistaken the lava burst glyph is also a bit better then the lightning bolt glyph. I might be wrong on this but if i remember correctly i read something about this some time ago. I should go and find out where i read this! The reforging you posted is the general rule what you should do. But for example now with T13 it is slightly better to go for more mastery and reforge Hit/Spirit + crit to mastery instead of haste. If i'm wrong on this please feel free to correct me copper! From my personal experience I totaly agree on the earthquake talent being so useless that it is to ridiculous for words. Ofcourse my experience only is from 10man Dragon Soul but i can't imagine it being good on 25man either. Only Yor'sahj it might be usefull, but even then on 10man it is so stupid since the adds die too fast and it barely does any damage. I would personally not spec into this talent at all certainly not in the current tier. But i realy find it a nicely written guide and i voted for a sticky on this! Keep up the good work everyone who helped on this guide! :) |
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Edited by Copperkop on 02/04/12 15:40 (BST)
FE glyph is maybe outdated for current the nerfs indeed. But that was at the start of 4.3 where it was really nice to have it on some encounters with the spec of-course. Now with all the HC gear it's not needed anymore as the HC tier set does really really well.
But for a encounter like ultrax Zyn, your spec for ele can work indeed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good example of what gear and spec can do: With my current spec and gear i pulled 49k on LFR ultrax the other day. Sadface we did get kicked after the kill, as we did to much damage (over 40% of raid damage). Could had done more but i had my money on 48k and got me a easy 15k from my guildy. Reason i could had done more was that i had to tank the last 30sec..... Tanks fail and i had agro damn mage and iceblock Screeny: http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2191/ultraxlfr.jpg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- btw post more often you :p still enjoying the 10man raiding? btw2 we have old SS raiders in my guild ;) |
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I forgot something in my first post.
The professions. Personally i would put Jewelcrafting with Medio Core professions just because it is not good at all compared to the other professions in the current patch 4.3. After this patch you can move it back with the rest but for now i would swap it. Since it only gives 51int compared to at least 80int from all the other non gathering professions. So for any new elemental shaman or player in general i would not suggest to take jewelcrafting at this time in the game. Also you mentioned about using the engineering cooldown together with some other cooldowns. This is a good idea in the beginning of a fight cause at that moment you have everything ready. But further in the fight i personally would suggest using it the moment it comes off cooldown just to get more use out of it. Unless you would be waiting to pop it together with a volcanic pot + Power torrent right before you would pop your fire elemental. But else i would suggest to use it asap when it comes off cooldown. Honostly, i don't enjoy 10man raiding as much as I enjoyed 25man raiding. But I enjoy raiding 10man cause I raid with realy nice people with whom i get along realy good. So I rather raid 10man with people i realy like then 25man with 24people i cannot stand ;) I know Xarina is raiding with you, who else? |
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Edited by Copperkop on 02/04/12 15:53 (BST)
There is a minor downpart about the engi enchant. it does not work with bottle ;) shared CD's
Reason i dropped engi for inscrip on SPINE Few more socials. word about the raiding mate ;) indeed every word there. I enjoy both atm. 10man alt run with pro's and just lol 24/7 edit: 2 more weeks and DTR XD |
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one more thing, list of gear? Kind of easy what is BIS for those who know.
I'm only two items away from non legendary bis |
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You could use 3 items without DTR.
Cunning of the cruel is slightly better then the insignia. Heroic Tier chest and the random ring drop. I gave up on the random heroic drops already. I can't even get my heroic bracers / Boots. So the chance of seeing the ring / trinket drop is like nothing! 5 more weeks for my DTR |
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Don't talk about drops.... 2 prot tokens so far for the guild. 1 Cunning 1 Ring g g
Cunning is nice indeed. on some encounters just allot better than insignia but overall they are close. Encounter depending trinket tbh ;) But for ultrax insignia could be better. One of our alts, has more HC tokens already than my main, he has two full HC sets.... Damn 10man luck, |
