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No, evryoen will get full gear as we said, normalize gear in arenas, you can enter in whatever gear you want but you'll have the same gear as evyrone else.

It's to promote arenas and people to play it so no farming needed.

I see where you're coming from and while I agree that it would be ideal to normalise gear, it would probably reduce the amount of people that will try/play arena.

I think most of the people that do arena nowadays(unless you play for R1/glad w/e) do it because they can get gear from it, if you take this motivation away from people, they would actually be less likely to do arena. because there's no advantage over others from it.

So I think it would be best to keep the current gear progression in PVP, but possibly make the gear differences smaller, o give people the illusion that they're still getting better gear, while the gear upgrade is really minimal. This also wouldn't affect balance at all.

As I said in my other thread, that's where Gear normalization would come in.

Have like a tab on your character frame where you choose the what gear you'd use in PvP from a list of current PvP gear.

yes please, I dont't like the fact that my bracers and shoulders have mastery on them:(

No, evryoen will get full gear as we said, normalize gear in arenas, you can enter in whatever gear you want but you'll have the same gear as evyrone else.

It's to promote arenas and people to play it so no farming needed.

I see where you're coming from and while I agree that it would be ideal to normalise gear, it would probably reduce the amount of people that will try/play arena.

I think most of the people that do arena nowadays(unless you play for R1/glad w/e) do it because they can get gear from it, if you take this motivation away from people, they would actually be less likely to do arena. because there's no advantage over others from it.

So I think it would be best to keep the current gear progression in PVP, but possibly make the gear differences smaller, o give people the illusion that they're still getting better gear, while the gear upgrade is really minimal. This also wouldn't affect balance at all.

You didn't even read the other thread did you. 4000125871y589715 million times this "problem" was discsussed and it was solved 1298y19875y15 million times, go read that thread, don't feel like repeating myself.

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From a big break back to wow , i see only boomkins around ?

am i forced to play something i don't like , or re-roll ?

No, Feral is fine as well.

Yes i noticed, but i had the druid because i loved the way i was healing . So i am forced to play feral okey.

My point your point , we are forced to do things we do not enjoy

Yup sadly we are forced to play something we dont enjoy and it sucks and blizz really need to start listening to the community not only to the top players but also the casual decent players around 2.2-2.4k rating

Why is the biggest problem of all always left alone? The selling of boosts (by boosts, I mean people playing anothers character to x rating, y gear, or z title) has done worse for the community than any balance changes ever have even got close to.

The cheating of players from one to another from the likes of MMR abusing, win trading and disconnecting other players on purpose. The punish for these people is non existant, which breeds more of this behaviour, it's now to the point that people are doing stupid things trying to get caught and they don't even get looked at.

This game isn't clean anymore, between hacks, cheats, abusing, boosting, and illegal acts within the game no changes to balance will do anything to the game from now on.

Yes i noticed, but i had the druid because i loved the way i was healing . So i am forced to play feral okey.

My point your point , we are forced to do things we do not enjoy

You're not 'forced' to do anything. You can spec Resto and compete just like anybody here. Just because Resto doesn't seem to be on par with other healers right now doesn't mean you can't do well and get the gear you desire.

Why is the biggest problem of all always left alone? The selling of boosts (by boosts, I mean people playing anothers character to x rating, y gear, or z title) has done worse for the community than any balance changes ever have even got close to.

The cheating of players from one to another from the likes of MMR abusing, win trading and disconnecting other players on purpose. The punish for these people is non existant, which breeds more of this behaviour, it's now to the point that people are doing stupid things trying to get caught and they don't even get looked at.

This game isn't clean anymore, between hacks, cheats, abusing, boosting, and illegal acts within the game no changes to balance will do anything to the game from now on.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3523082567

29/03/2012 14:15Posted by Mírion

The same can be sad about disarm abilities, basically the melee version of silence.

No it's not, blankets cuts a caster out completly, a melee can still use defensive spells like Enraged Regen or Cloak of Shadows while disarmed a healer can't do ANTYHING.

The melee can't do any melee damage if he is disarmed.
The healer/caster can't do any healing/damage if he is silanced.

I think both are ment to do the same thing.

Either they do the same with melee or they should give casters and healers the ability to use some defansive cooldowns while silanced.

Some casters already have a defansive abilities that work while silanced for example; spirit link totem. Mastery aura does as well but it doesn't remove silance when you have it on you so it's wasted when you do.

As Enhancement Shamanic Rage is in the Physical school but it still isn't available while silanced. good huh. This is proberly because it could give problems with the shamanic rage glyph as it will remove all magic effects on you. so it would remove silance. or they should make it a bit like Mastery aura so it doesn't. Would help out a lot if that is changed I died in quite a lot of situasions because I couldn't use it. that I can't use my healing I can understand that.

Why have you limited the discussion to 3v3?

29/03/2012 17:16Posted by Rasen

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3523082567

Another great thread, shame that one went unoticed.

While i do think that blizzard should focus more on arena, im not really sure that those issues OP pointed out are the solution, infact after i noticed that he was a warrior alot of it just started sounding like warrior whine to me.

Its widely known that warriors struggle with heavy CC, and that comment about rogues "self-heal" being better than warriors just accentuated further the obvious QQ.

Like seriously? A guy that claims he was 2900+ struggling with rogue self heal? Seeing as its the best self heal in the game, then maybe rogues should not even bother bringing a healer into the arena and just heal themselves?
And how in arena is the warrior "designed" to take dmg? So if you have a rogue with no CDs and a warrior on the opposite team, you will focus the warrior, obviously, right? Its obviously the wise choice, cause rogue has SICK SELF HEAL.

I do agree that the CC should be toned down abit, but not the general CC, i think CC is a vital part of arena, and the synergy between two or three different classes with different CC is a core part of teamplay.
Overall i find that the CC from some classes is too spammable.
For example you have classes like shaman, rogue and priest that have good CC but they have certain conditions like big CD´s, being out of combat etc. wich is good and requires you to be able to time everything out
But then you have classes like warlock and mages that not only have one main spammable CC (fear/poly) but also have other forms of heavy CC.

Also i noticed some people in the thread mentioning ret paladins, feral druids, etc. i think blizzard should figure out a main pvp spec for hybrids and just stick to it, because its overall easier to balance the whole thing out without having to account for pseudo-classes running around and its only fair as other classes like warrior or rogue only have 1 viable pvp spec, cant understand why hyrbrids have 2 or more completely different ones.

^is a clueless rogue, ignore him

29/03/2012 18:17Posted by Aerolath

Why have you limited the discussion to 3v3?

Becuse none cares about 2s or 5s.

29/03/2012 18:06Posted by Staticbolt

No it's not, blankets cuts a caster out completly, a melee can still use defensive spells like Enraged Regen or Cloak of Shadows while disarmed a healer can't do ANTYHING.

The melee can't do any melee damage if he is disarmed.
The healer/caster can't do any healing/damage if he is silanced.

I think both are ment to do the same thing.

Either they do the same with melee or they should give casters and healers the ability to use some defansive cooldowns while silanced.

Some casters already have a defansive abilities that work while silanced for example; spirit link totem. Mastery aura does as well but it doesn't remove silance when you have it on you so it's wasted when you do.

As Enhancement Shamanic Rage is in the Physical school but it still isn't available while silanced. good huh. This is proberly because it could give problems with the shamanic rage glyph as it will remove all magic effects on you. so it would remove silance. or they should make it a bit like Mastery aura so it doesn't. Would help out a lot if that is changed I died in quite a lot of situasions because I couldn't use it. that I can't use my healing I can understand that.

You can still use all totems while disarmed, silienced, I can't do anything? A Ret can still use shieldwall while disarmed but no silienced.

If you're compaing Disarm with Silience you're doing it wrong.

While i do think that blizzard should focus more on arena, im not really sure that those issues OP pointed out are the solution, infact after i noticed that he was a warrior alot of it just started sounding like warrior whine to me.

Its widely known that warriors struggle with heavy CC, and that comment about rogues "self-heal" being better than warriors just accentuated further the obvious QQ.

Like seriously? A guy that claims he was 2900+ struggling with rogue self heal? Seeing as its the best self heal in the game, then maybe rogues should not even bother bringing a healer into the arena and just heal themselves?
And how in arena is the warrior "designed" to take dmg? So if you have a rogue with no CDs and a warrior on the opposite team, you will focus the warrior, obviously, right? Its obviously the wise choice, cause rogue has SICK SELF HEAL.

/facepalm

29/03/2012 18:18Posted by Harrianlar

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3523082567

Another great thread, shame that one went unoticed.

It's not that it goes unnoticed, it's just that every thread that Rasen have made; contains a summarization of things that have been said over and over and over and over again. He is just repeating the things that a lot of us have already expressed and discussed.

As such, there's no need for neither the CMs to comment, nor the community to fill the thread with posts, unless it actually brings new issues/perspectives to light.

And although these issues certainly deserves redundancy until change is upon us, far from everyone of us will have the energy, nor the time, to keep typing the same things over and over again.