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What you say about class stacking in 10 man is complete bull as well, There's absolutely no opportunity for class stacking in 10 man since you need to cover off buffs. For most fights in 10 man you usually end up missing out on at least one buff which would never happen in 25.

Spine says hi, burst damage more important than buffs on that fight, if you can stack entirely mage/rogue you'll do better then 4 mage/rogue + a buff, but go ask top guilds if you don't believe me.
Then argue that its easier to find the 9-10 mage/rogues (minimum) to the 5 you needed for the original version of this fight. Class stacking can be an option if fights have a stupid requirement much more easily in 10 man. I'm not gonna argue tactics are neccearily more challenging on all 25 or 10 man fights, but the requirement to have 2.5 times as many players not dc'ing/!@#$ing up makes the fights inherently more challenging, and if fights are originally designed for 25 man, removing parts from fights to be able to balance it for 10 man will make it easier, even if tuned the same, just due to RNG and positioning

u mad cos u bad?

31/03/2012 14:11Posted by Doomchicken

u mad cos u bad?

Yeah I am.

31/03/2012 13:43Posted by Lanetha

What you say about class stacking in 10 man is complete bull as well, There's absolutely no opportunity for class stacking in 10 man since you need to cover off buffs. For most fights in 10 man you usually end up missing out on at least one buff which would never happen in 25.

Spine says hi, burst damage more important than buffs on that fight, if you can stack entirely mage/rogue you'll do better then 4 mage/rogue + a buff, but go ask top guilds if you don't believe me.
Then argue that its easier to find the 9-10 mage/rogues (minimum) to the 5 you needed for the original version of this fight. Class stacking can be an option if fights have a stupid requirement much more easily in 10 man. I'm not gonna argue tactics are neccearily more challenging on all 25 or 10 man fights, but the requirement to have 2.5 times as many players not dc'ing/!@#$ing up makes the fights inherently more challenging, and if fights are originally designed for 25 man, removing parts from fights to be able to balance it for 10 man will make it easier, even if tuned the same, just due to RNG and positioning

One fight we didn't class stack in order to kill it either.

Your point about d/c and RNG is actually worse in 10 man as well, if one person is taken out of a fight that's 10% of your raid force gone opposed to 4% in a 25 man. D/C in a 10 man pretty much means wipe. But tbh if u are using disconnects as an excuse for your poor progression you should just give up the race for 25 man server first now!

If only BRB put as much effort into raiding as they do into the forums maybe they would kill some bosses whilst its current content /pat

31/03/2012 14:52Posted by Doomchicken

If only BRB put as much effort into raiding as they do into the forums maybe they would kill some bosses whilst its current content /pat

Please don't. This wasn't the intention of the topic.

31/03/2012 14:52Posted by Doomchicken

If only BRB put as much effort into raiding as they do into the forums maybe they would kill some bosses whilst its current content /pat

lol your talking sh#te.

My post about the logistical difficulties involved with a 25man guild was nicely overlooked, Im gonna assume thats cos no one disagreed. Anyways, lets just leave it at 'you can be casual and successful in 10man cos its easier to get a pro full team without carrying bads, but the fights aren't any easier than a 25man.' Is that a fair compromise? (considering its made of snippets of everyone elses quotes)

Ps Berg, I still love you. Forever and always. More than Vitano. Even if you're from that terrible neighboring county.

My post about the logistical difficulties involved with a 25man guild was nicely overlooked, Im gonna assume thats cos no one disagreed. Anyways, lets just leave it at 'you can be casual and successful in 10man cos its easier to get a pro full team without carrying bads, but the fights aren't any easier than a 25man.' Is that a fair compromise? (considering its made of snippets of everyone elses quotes)

Ps Berg, I still love you. Forever and always. More than Vitano. Even if you're from that terrible neighboring county.

Don't try to be diplomatic. I expect 10+ page threads of flaming, can't have people being rational ok. Stick to the basic format please, your type is not welcome here.

Don't worry, Aevah is just being nice whilst he secretly plots the greatest robbery of all time. He will rob every gbank on Ghostlands simultaneously. His Oceans Eleven (Eternals) moment was a great success and no one could really hate him for the audacity of it all. Hopefully his Oceans Twelve one gets him killed.

Also, it's too easy to argue about any more. You just have to /sympathy those who don't get it done, and wonder if they're disabled in some way. The answer is usually yes.

01/04/2012 17:43Posted by Sánty

His Oceans Eleven (Eternals) moment was a great success and no one could really hate him for the audacity of it all.

My hatred burns eternal.

WHO THE !@#$

brought Laba back to our forums.
Seriously guys.

On topic, yeah id love more 25 mans. Going from 25 to 10 mans was ... i dunno. I don't wanna devalue 10 man guild's effort because it is also hard to find the perfect timings, tactics and use of classes on 10 man, but really, 25 man is a totally different ball game, in another league. I am not saying the 25 man players are better. I think currently on Ghostlands the best players are palying 10 man (no it's not NoQ).

Problem we are having is the more 'casual' guilds ( casual is not *bad* players, it's just lesss regular ones) see guilds like BRB and NoQ as big epic battle ships. Often, people don't apply because they are worried of rejection. The point is, when i see an app, i look for potential. And the players who got this potential are often too up their own way to change guild, they'd rather stay "top deeps" or "top heals" in their own guild. (btw, i am not aiming this at anyone at all, it's just somthing i noticed from raiding on my alts with other guild's guild runs. You try give them advice, and it's like 'NO'.).

So yeah there's a lot of loyalty (since that mage/DK is gone) and Guild indentity on Ghostlands which makes mergers very hard. Believe me :)

zzzzzz pass me a bloody violin plz

Everyone saying 25 man is the real deal amuses me. Sure this was true in Wotlk, sure this was true during Firelands (although Beth was harder on 10). But during most of t11 and a good part of t13 10 man fights are generally harder then 25. People need to bash 10 man raiding in order to defend their precious 25 man. Nowadays 25 man is pretty much the same as 10 man, deal with it, get beaten by censored and move on:)

Finally someone speaking some god dam sense in this thread. They bashed censored when they took server firsts LIKE THEY WERE EVEN CLOSE TO GETTING THEM /Pat

WHO THE !@#$

brought Laba back to our forums.
Seriously guys.

Faith did child. now sit .

Regarding the refference you made to my loylaty , you are a total ignorant prick, always have been, and because of cocky pricks like you and this ignorant attitude, it`s because of this that there seems to be fewer and fewer chances new blood will ever want to transfer to this realm.

you do realize you don`t even know me and your hatred is unjustified right ? guess not , your brain cells have not reached that step of evolution . Explaining you how to be open-minded is like trying to teach a dog to speak esperando .

Back on topic , @Neöphyte : tbh , after the last couple of weeks , i`m starting to come to the conclusion that there is very very little hope for the trealm to ever recover or improve in any way,shape or form (basically screw the whole thing, pack up and realm transfer ) . There was a time when Lost raided here , there was a time when BRB was also world competitive, there was a time when Eeternals claimed some realm first but that`s all over. Eifelscrub talks about guild identity that makes merges difficult . There is no freakign guild identity , the ONLY guild that has some little tiny form of identity left is BRB , in the form of Lesyne who is riading again (afaik ) and who was the leader in the "glory days" and a very small hand of people in the same guild that have been here in the "glory" days.

But the glory days are gone, Lost is dead , Eternals also for ages. BRB is the only guild with a bit of "guild identity" left . those days have past , move on ! and when someone actully has the pacience to give some improvement ideeas, respect them don`t be rude pricks.

Ensidia merged with Envy and created a new -super guild, but nooooo, Ghostlands guilds have "guild identity" , merge is not an option in this realm, they are much much better identity. few milenia ago that guild name was competitive ..well, wake up , it`s over, revive the relam or xrealm. Stop this !@#$-waving fest. If not, well , you deserved to be trolled , and laughed at. Spineless pricks like Eifelscrub make me vomit . they just tag along like a retarded kid and "OH LOL WHO BROUGHT HIM BACK IN OUR REALMS " - as if he freaking owns a public forum or as if he knows anything about me. But since it`s like 50 ppl left on the realm i guess all know eachother intimately and defend eachotehr as if someone is actually tryign to invade this realm lol...

w/e . again , Neophyte given it`s impossible to say somethign without being trolled or told ot fck off, this is your answer : screw the whole thing, pack up and realm transfer.
If suggesting people to be friendlier, or bumping the recruitment thread of old friends gets you trolled imagine a complex process such as the mergure of 2 guilds or more : lol, not gonna happen .

25 man IS the real deal. It's absolutely harder than 10 man. Every single (educated) person on this thread knows it. Every single person who is honest, will not post things like you Alwaysheals. You obviously fail at 25 man, and heroic content in general.. so that is your problem with it.

Go back to pvp, with your horrific 25 man knowledge.