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Just sad that they're going to split bear and cat form in MoP.

The fun about playing feral is to be able to change from cat to bear (or bear to cat) in combat and always be able to adapt but with only one form its going to be like playing a regular warrior or rouge wich is booring compared to feral druids right now. They're taking away all the fun of playing feral in MoP..

This is the most stupid thing blizz have come up with so far.

Srsly what's the point of this treason???

The point is that it's kind of unfair that cats have a "lol I'm invincible lol" form for PvP while they wait for their energy to regenerate and it's kind of unfair that bears have a dps shape in multi-tank bossfights while other tanks don't.

I understand that it's less fun this way but really, it's much better for balance.

who says bear will become completely useless for feral?
just less good.

Just because we won't be using Bear as much doesn't mean it'll be like playing a Rogue... Feral and Rogues have completely different playstyles, the only thing they have in common is the Energy/Combo Point resource system.

Also, it'll hopefully be a good change as I assume they'll have to give us a bit more survivability in Cat Form to make up for it.

The point is that it's kind of unfair that cats have a "lol I'm invincible lol" form for PvP while they wait for their energy to regenerate and it's kind of unfair that bears have a dps shape in multi-tank bossfights while other tanks don't.

I understand that it's less fun this way but really, it's much better for balance.

Bear is far from invincible. As for a dps shape in pve, it really doesn't mean much. When you have no haste, no cat glyphs and no cat talents, you do just as much damage in bearform as cat. Thats my experience as an agility stacking tank. I shudder to think what kind of dps a stam stacking tank would produce in catform. I'm looking forward to the changes, for exactly the opposite reasons you give. I want everything in my tank spec to be relevant to tanking.

Mastery is the problem, Cat deals more dmg with bleeding while switching to Bear form allows them to absorb physical damage. By simple stacking Mastery on their gear, its being used as both offense and defense.

And in MoP the Bear Mastery gets a change which will effect Pvp alot more then these days.
Thats why the split up.

Bear may not be invincible, but they are a lot tougher to kill then other classes, while a simple switch allows them to deal massive damage.

And btw, you can still change into bear form even while cat spec, they only split up their Mastery Talents mostely and perhaps some skills but that doesnt mean they ruined Feral Spec.

But it just doesn't feel the same. I've always had the tought that ferals are hybrids.. Unlike other classes. But now then if you think about for mage example.. They does have invis, shields which works like bear form, cc's and stuff. If you look arena these days, rogue just can't beat mage if mage knows anything about his class. Ofcourse things are overall going to be changed to MoP but as a player that has been playing druid since wotlk, I just can't imagine things on feral spec changing so radically. And they should also give ferals third talent tree because 4 different specs are awful to choose from.

But maybe the change doesnt matter at all anyways.. I play pve, hardly am in bear form if playing on dps spec, and hardly playing cat form when in tank spec.. But still. can't just imagine it.
random: "LFM pandaraid10 | Need 1 tank and some dps | blabla etc"
me: "Guardian tank or feral dps 545ilvl"

PS: Thinking those ugly troll pigtanks calling themselves guardians on MoP makes me laugh because afterall.. guardian sounds somehow royal x)

Good aspect for druids is the reinforcement of our adaptibility for support rolling in a raid like it was back in Vanilla.

We were never meant to be 100% mainstream in our spec-field (be it melee dps/tank/healer/ranged dps). Instead we are supposed to sit about 85-95% efficient with the remaining % being put into another field.

That kind of ability was removed with Wotlk finalising the shift if I remember right to give the players of the class at the time what was wanted- more to 100% of the field.

MoP looks like it will give players the chance to make the choice between a 100% build in that field or 85/15 split. Should be good tbh.

gg broken class

They split up Cat and Bear in talents and abilities only. As a Feral Tank (Guardian) you can still go Cat and deal moderate damage. But you don't have defining abilities such as Rip and Shred. In other words; when you're a Guardian Druid, you will definitely do less damage in catform than you do now. Is that a bad thing? Perhaps. But it is too early to tell at this time.

I am playing the beta at the moment and tried to test some of my new "Guardian" abilities but it crashes way to much to give anyone a proper idea. Also, it seems that the Talenttree us Druids have seem to still have a "cookie cutter" spec for raiding bears.

Let's just wait and see what happens before making final judgements.

personally, I really look forward to the change.

The 1 most important thing for me is that I don't have to shapedance so often anymore.

A warrior, imo, needs stancedancing. but I never liked druids having to go bear, stun, go back to cat.

I'll definitely go back to feral in MoP. Survival compensation is provided, with desperate prayer, and disentanglement, which gives a 20% heal every 30 seconds.

I'd like to stay in catform more, which they will do. I love it ^^

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This pretty much.

Looking forward for MoP since it seems that ferals will have to rely a bit more on their healing. And who knows, with Nurturing instinct we might go back and seeming some moonfire kills again.

who says bear will become completely useless for feral?
just less good.

Actually you don't even know that, they may revamp bear to give it more utility for feral("cat") druids. Personally I hope feral druids in PvP will be switching around a lot during energy regen(more then we do now) to use different peels and whatever they come up with. Check out for example.
http://mop.wowhead.com/item=67484

personally, I really look forward to the change.

The 1 most important thing for me is that I don't have to shapedance so often anymore.

A warrior, imo, needs stancedancing. but I never liked druids having to go bear, stun, go back to cat.

I'll definitely go back to feral in MoP. Survival compensation is provided, with desperate prayer, and disentanglement, which gives a 20% heal every 30 seconds.

I'd like to stay in catform more, which they will do. I love it ^^

I disagree, we will lose frenzied regen and survival instincts, the survival won't be much better. Nature's grasp having only one charge doesn't help either, and same with losing maybe one of our main heals lifebloom.

Sounds like reasonable balancing.

26/03/2012 12:50Posted by Zechey

I disagree, we will lose frenzied regen and survival instincts, the survival won't be much better. Nature's grasp having only one charge doesn't help either, and same with losing maybe one of our main heals lifebloom.

I'm not saying we're getting buffed. I never meant that. I said, that OP is overexaggerating saying "no more ferals in MoP".

ferals won't have it that bad, with charge becoming 15 sec (or blink+vanish), and frikkin disentanglement. we'll eat mages!

I'd gladly trade bearform sitting for those utilities. but that's my opinion, I really like it :)

23/03/2012 18:20Posted by Makalai

The fun about playing feral is to be able to change from cat to bear (or bear to cat) in combat

While I do agree that this is one of the more fun aspects of the class, it's exactly what's making the class & specc so annoying and borderline OP right now. It's absolutely mental how a feral can pump out pretty insane damage in cat and then just go bear and tank five players with zero effort.

Pche... who will play feral in mop? Beware of moonkins. They will be awesome.

They just nerfed shred big time.. The future doesn't look bright :S Oh, and cat charge only usable in combat, guess that's bye for stealth charges. They halved the cd tho :D

Damn bro Druid Feral Combat is so awesome to play Hope is a fake post:) Sage's Mantle