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How do you deal with ninja pullers/impatient dps?
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I'm looking forward to the glyph of righteous retreat.
Until that day, I'll continue to /dance, /lol and /solo whatever mobs there may be. |
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Those who ninja pulls in dungeon may be a little a$$, that's true....but those who let their allies die.. are lower than scum. Your job is to protect your allies, no matter what, if you refuse to you're not worth to be called protector.
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And that's what they're counting on. I'm not going to be trolled by a ninjapuller and then constantly save his bacon. Sure, 1 or 2 mistakes maybe but consistent ninjapulling means I'll sit and watch them go splat. Scum? No. I'm just not going to run around like a headless chicken for someone else's amusement when they've no intention of doing it properly and working as a team to complete it. |
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im not a slow puller, but there are dps that are in the habbit of pulling more mobs after you have just picked up a group thinking that the group will be able to handle them, and then everyone dies and they blame the tank, i find this especially difficult when tanking on my warrior.
it figures if dps were more focused on the group as a whole like tanks and healers are (keeping agro, and keeping everyones hp up) there would be a better overall feeling to doing heroics imo, and more people might enjoy tanking/healing a bit more, but thats wishfull thinking. I know its not solely dps classes fault that a heroic group can fail, but from personal experiance the majority of the time (say about 80%) it is dps classes that cause the most hassle. |
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I curse my lack of rage and wish my IRL rage would fill up my rage bar. Sometimes I curse that I am in caster form and can't start instantly tanking and have to switch first.
If I have rage and am in bear form I just tank. If people ninja pull raid bosses my guild face palms as they die. Damn you ultra and raggy for having such huge hitboxes which people just want to attack! |
Tell the healer that if he is going to heal the ninjapullers, then he is going to die with them. |
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I've been having the same problem, and I've only tanked for 3 levels on this character. :L
Had Death Knight children complaining I wasn't keeping aggro, then they were Death Gripping the mobs off of me, and then proceeding to max out on DPS and tell me to gather all the mobs back. On another part of the dungeon, while I'm grabbing those mobs back, I had Mages pulling extra groups of mobs. Was ridiculous. Luckily I got it all back in to working order and saved a wipe, with the healer being dead. Thank god there was a druid to give me small heals. Was the worst instance I'd been in for a while... :c |
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How I deal with them depends on which mood I am in and how they've been acting beside being ninjapullers.
I can be anything from the kindest tank to the worst a**hat. If they keep doing it and/or do not reply to any questions, I let them die. In extreme cases I simply just leave. |
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I have to say my mood affects what I may do.
If ninja puller is a hunter then I will tank everything on top of said hunter. Lol today I let a lock died because he was ninja pulling everything so it amuse me when he ninja pull a boss....death! Some dps just cant wait afew secs for my tank cds. They will say your slacking. Its so hard to tank well its so hard for you too dps meaning hold your guns cowboy. |
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Several scenarios that annoy me while doing random LFG:
1. You rush / charge towards a fresh pack of mobs and a DPSer attacks the mob furthest away and while you're half way towards the pack. 2. There's a caster mob that does an AOE attack. Who do the DPSers attack? Each attacks every other mob BUT that caster! And don't you just hate it when instead of "focus fire" you get a "I don't want to spank the same mob as everyone else!" 3. Using non-dps ability ... just because they have them.. I had DK once who would Grip everything he could (nooo! not to bring the casters, loos mobs closer to me... just because ...he wcould). Asked him once not to... told him second time not to cause it gets on my nerves... third time - told him I'll behave like a prick if he'll keeps on behaving like a prick... and then he pulled a boss ... and i just left... 4. Not as annoying as amusing / challenge- when you get 2 dpsers boasting how much dps each of them can do - when I see them write stuff like that I'm like: "Oh no... I'll need to stop face-rolling over key-binds and do some actual tanking!" |
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Usually it's a rogue who will pop evasion or a ret pve hero. I don't mind on the whole, as long as they don't whinge at a later stage.
I have a very simple rule with pugs. If someone uses the phrase 'FFS' without any need to, I leave. It is almost always the calling card of a rude, irritating person. I don't care about the deserter tag. Insta queues anyway, so it's always good to have a break. |
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how i deal? i double my pulling speed to lvl where i have loads of mobs what can most of time mean healer cannot heal through that unles i use my CD's most of time i use em but sometimes i just watch how fast dps can clear em before i die.
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I just usually /sit and let them die, until I get a "WTF tank?!", likely from a hunter, and then explain what he did wrong. If its a really retarded group, they will kick me. If not, they will kick him.
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As a new healer i sure prefer some order in the group, but then as a healer i don't like loosing anyone either.
My first group was with a tank that rarely stopped, forget any mana breaks and well we ended up dead since my mana was at 0 and mana pot was still on cooldown :( |
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If healers would say that pull faster, it's 2 resons how I see it:
Either I'm being slow (for this reason healers never really seem to ask, so I guess I'm pacing fast enough for them). Or they are bored because before atleast cata instances, mobs seemed to do so little dmg that they had little to do. Now in Cata places they hit hard enough so healers seem to be "happy" about they got stuff to do atleast haha x) So usually it's not healer who insist going faster. It's dps. And why? Ok, so let's say in your average group dps does average dmg for their lvl. I tank mobs, they kill them. That's how it works, right? Oh and healer keeps people alive ofcourse, not forgetting that. When group of mobs die, I run to next group if healer is up for it (usually they very well are). I don't stand there watching dead mobs on our feet for half a minute. I might loot though, because there could be something I might find useful, or just for cash. This shouldn't be bad thing. People loot, don't they? Right, they usually do. Ok, so looting takes like nanosecond with autoloot enabled. So I just click and that's it, next group. So why, and here comes the big question I don't get... Why would some dps guys run off and pull another mobgroup while we are still killing last one? They just ignore that group we need to kill first, making 0 dmg to help us get it done. I can't see how it makes things faster if they refuse to do THEIR job, when I do my job. They are there to kill groups while my job is to tank those same groups. Like I said, I don't stand around other than if some pull (very rarely) needs timing, or when healer wants MB or has some emergency AFK for a second. So only time I'm not taking hits is when I run from killed mobgroup to next one ready to tank those. To me this means I can't go any faster than what rate dps kills those groups. If dps is so impatient and goes to ninjapull other groups while we still have like 4-5mobs to fight with, am I too slow? I mean, if I'd take many mobgroups on me, would I survive them all? Would healer be able to keep me up? Should I be pulling all mobs on be before each boss and tank them all, while those ninjapullers would ignore them just so they can go pull boss too? People who say "it's your job to tank so !@#$ and do your job" when some tank wishes dps wouldn't ninjapull, are kinda odd to me. Because as a tank I know my job is to tank. And ofcourse sometimes "ninja"pulls happen, someone might get feared to next mobgroup or something else. I don't worry about those and I will do my job and try my best to pick those mobs. How come then dps is not expected to do their job? Isn't it to kill mobs tank tanks? Isn't it to make that instance run as smooth and easy and pleasant as possible? I mean, I try to make it for all in group by doing what I'm expected to do. That's tanking. But if dps is there just so they can constantly ninjapull and whine and moan about "bad tanking" or "slow tanking" when they themselfs do below average dmg and ignore current fights by running to ninjapull next groups, then what gives? Ok, might be totally offtopic now, this little rant of mine. I just don't get it why some seem to have this horrible urge, real need, to go pull mobs. And pull them before tank is even nearby (I'm talking about those who run off while I'm tanking 4-5mobs). I can't magically teleport to their location if they are far enough for me to even use intervene. When group of mobs dies, I loot quick and go forward. Is that too slow? Should I be having some sort of unlimited-range rogues shadowdance (whatever that skill is named) that would make me pop behind each mob in whole instance and be everywhere at the same time? So to all those who say "Do your job!" I think most tanks ARE doing their jobs. I know I am. So is it so wrong to expect dps doing their job too and kill that mob that's trying to bash me, the tank, instead of running off pulling mobs that aren't even closeby? Is it wrong to expect them to atleast wait for the rest of the group before pulling? If I run as fast as I can (I won't be using swiftness potions though, should I?xD) and still it's not enough for dps who doesn't wanna fight the mobs he pulled and I tank, and just runs off to pull another group, am I being slow tank? No. Then it's the dps who doesn't seem to know their job and sometimes it seems they are trying real hard to make whole instance as difficult as possible for the rest of the group. And for the record, I'm not talking about some accidental pulls, or some moments when dps DK in group uses deathgrip because for some reason I couldn't get that castermob from far and he gets it close allowing me to taunt it right away (those are nice DKs =) ). I don't count those as ninjapulls. Heck, DK who does that to help me is totally NOT ninjapulling, it's trying to help me, tank. Right, too long "rant" now... Luckily those ninjapullers are kinda rare, atleast so far. I just find it odd how some people don't wanna face the fact that dps has certain job in instance too and one of those jobs isn't trying to make it hard for everyone else (healers doesn't seem to be too happy about ninjapullers either usually?). So perhaps when some tank isn't happy about ninjapullers, you could think twice before stating something like "ur tank, do ur job, ur clearly noob!" or something? Oh and how do I deal with ninjapullers? I'm not too happy about them, but if I can help it in anyway, I try to save them. Because even when they kinda slow things up by not killing the groups rest of the team is fighting, it would slow it down even more to let those poor buggers die. You know, with all the "rez plz, noob tank hold aggro (whem I'm 100yards away), buff plz heal!" when they die... Just hope nobody would say I'm doing my job wrong if some dps decides it's good idea to run off and leave the rest of the group fight, while they go ninjapull mobs far far away... |
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Whats taunting??? abd oops i misplaced and taunts.
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I dont mind if people accidentally face pull some mobs,it happens to everyone. But if people start thunderstoming etc i start shouting <.<
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