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Without addressing anyone in particular, I just wanted to say that if you consider yourself liberal but have problems with explaining to children what's a gay person, you're not as liberal as you think you are.
Hint: explain it the same way you explain relationships between straight people. Aka, "some men and women love each other" becomes "sometimes two men/women love each other too". |
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04/04/2012
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Why shouldn't there be any LBGT guilds? Why should they not be able to advertise as such? Its not about bringing sexuality in to the game, the same as those guilds asking, for example, dutch only, are not about bringing nationality in to the game. What it is about is finding a commonality within the guild and its members. You seem like a good parent! <3 |
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05/04/2012
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I understand this in a way. But, its 2012. I think its way beyond time to stop punnishing the people that gets bullied and instead help the harrassing people to stop doing that. Like, if you whent to the police saying "somebody hit me and raped me for being gay" and then the police says "couldnt you just not have told them you where gay". If blizz should ever again give somebody a warning because they are advertising a LGBT guild, they would not only be that police, they would also be that police putting the LGBT-person in jail. |
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05/04/2012
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I see certian hypocrites, who are convinced their sexuality is pretty much the only thing defining 'em as humans, took the "discussion" about their RL frustrations and problems here.
OK do whatever you want, just remember what I said on the other topic you and/or your alts opened: being gay or straight, stay away from kids. |
#44
05/04/2012
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05/04/2012
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Edited by Gawwad on 05/04/12 21:05 (BST)
You can't make straight only guilds and you can't make gay only guilds.
You can make a LGBT friendly guild which also accepts !@#$%^-*!@#$s. It is outrageous that you would make a guild that would not accept people because of their sexual preference. It's about acceptance. Edit: Why is the word for a man intrested in women and vice versa sensored? |
#46
05/04/2012
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Why do people feel the need to throw their sexual orientation into other people's faces? Personally I don't give a rat's !@# about whether you're gay, lesbian or you like dogs. It's a game. Your sexual orientation doesn't change who you are, neither does it change how you play.
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05/04/2012
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Propably the end part of the word now that I think about it. Glad that gay is considered an everyday word now though. Kids know that men and women get married, they should also know that men and men and women and women get married (with that exact word eventually), but the s... part has no place in a 12+ game. |
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05/04/2012
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I have until now, stayed out of this thread.. but, now that there has been a blue post, I will add my two penneth (maybe a small wall of text).. if that is ok :)
Personally..... I feel the advertisement of LGBT guilds should be allowed. I can see that teenagers/young adults, even older gay adults may feel more comfortable socialising in a circle of people who do not judge, harrass or otherwise insult one another. It would be great to think that everyone is accepting, but the simple truth is that they are not, so I can understand why some may choose to find likewise minded individuals to spend their time with. Again, personally speaking, I am not sure it's the best idea.. you will never build confidence in yourself if you constantly seek that safe ground.. but this is easier said than done, I appreciate this, I know this.. I've been there.. I've done it... and I've worn the T-shirt. I am however very lucky to have characters in an Alliance guild and a Horde guild that is accepting of everyone regardless of any personal difference you may have to others, bullying is not tolerated, jokes are.. as long as they are jokes... people know where the line is... they would not dream of crossing it... I guess that makes me lucky to have found two great guilds. The key point here, is that really, there is no need to advertise any guild as LGBT in trade/general. Advertize yourselves as simply "Friendly and accepting".. to most that will be enough. Link to your guild website, where if you want, you can have a big LGBT Guild flag that makes it obvious to the visitor the type of guild you are, and you have done the job of making sure that you do not have any haters apply. There are more ways than one to skin a cat after all.. (My cat just ran under the sofa) There are ways and means of making sure that the guild only has the players in it that you want, it does not need to resort to only actively recruiting LGBT players and by having a guild from all walks of life but containing players that accept all walks of life, helps those lacking confidence to be proud in themselves, gain that confidence and be proud. There. I have said enough. |
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05/04/2012
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Its more that people are judgemental when it comes to that though, we have alot of Finnish/Danish players here excluding English players for example making it a very hard time for any English player to find a raiding guild and those who are international/english only include the elitist for example. I can almost cry for an FCM/Realm transfer.
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#51
05/04/2012
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I'm not straight. Nobody in my Guild is aware of this, Real ID friends aside. If someone in my Guild was making a big deal about their sexuality, I'd kick them too. It's nice to get to know people 'n' all, but it's a 12+ game - you shouldn't go mouthing off about who you jump into bed with. It's not appropriate, it never has been appropriate, and it never will be. |
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05/04/2012
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Ty for all the replies, many nice and understandable ways to look upon the matters. Haters will of course always be haters and ask people not to get in their faces, not realising they are themself throwing their ways of life in other peoples faces. Thats life and ingame, with a extended posibility to put people on ignore (accountwide) that can be sorted.
Im cheerful for the replies, and also a bit sad that it seems like the work of Sara Williams didnt seem to lead to any changes in policies although it seem to be official she was promised people should not be banned for recruiting for LGBT-friendly guilds again. I do like rules, and do want to know that I myself follow the rules. That of course demands quite clear rules ;) I like the games a lot, and I know it wont last forever, but I know when it ends it would be nice if I had been playing a game that was one of the first big games to take a more active stand against hate speach then a blurry line thats hard to read. I hope it will be stated that its allowed for guilds to search for peeps thats LGBT-friendly, not excluding anybody doing so. That is what I hope for because I think in the long run, its a little step among others to change life outside games too. To be allowed to not hide. I hope this day is yet to come. Ty for all your posts. |
#54
05/04/2012
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Who's hiding? I'm a guy, and it's not a secret. If someone asked in /guild for me to say the name of a celebrity I think is attractive, I'd probably say Johnny Depp. There's a difference between hiding something about yourself, and telling everyone who'll listen. Do you tell people your hair colour with such gusto? Your shoe size? I don't see normal people and "the rest". I see human beings. If that makes me small-minded, ignorant or petty in any way, then I'll accept the judgement of history. Because I'll never change. |
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05/04/2012
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The internet is a place where anybody can be quite rightly anonymous. Given this, people should also be able to be whomever they choose to be as well.
Given that having a right to live your life without fear of discrimination, wouldn't it be fair to allow these people to form in groups to play and socialise with one another? I'm for "more togetherness" than "more separation", but given that players would then feel comfortable amongst like-minded people, I can see more benefits than drawbacks. I can also see how this could be exploited to anyone seen to be attempting to harass such people, but all in all, given that this is supposed to be an open society, not allowing it would be seen as discrimination in my eyes. When you see the amount of people advertising "Dutch Guilds" and "Scandinavian Guilds" and so on (my example being separation again), I don't see why this cannot apply to members of the LGBT community. Surely banning such activities may turn potential players away from the game, resulting in a net loss for the community as a whole (as the game would be seen to be hostile to those people looking to play with people that they feel comfortable being around). |
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05/04/2012
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Utterly disrespectable.
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#58
05/04/2012
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I think the point is not what it has to do with the "game", but more what it has to do with the people you want to hang out with in game. Saying it has no place in the game is really implying that you will only be doing game stuff in game. As most social guilds are far more than just places for people to "play a game" together, and are rather a social nexus, I can see it being important to make sure that the people you recruit fit in with the people in currently in the guild. Advertising in trade though is problematic, you could just talk about this to people in whisper when they ask to join, but then you may not get the right people whispering you in the first place. Its a difficult situation. |
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05/04/2012
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