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The Horde need the Alliance?
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If for examples sake the Horde did beat the Alliance and virtually wipe them off the map.How long would it take for the Horde to turn in upon itself?Not long I would guess.
The Forsaken already plot against all the living, so they will just carry on regardless, once they get a base on kalindor they would attack the others.They would wait for just the right moment too. The Blood Elfs would go neutral and just stay in their own lands and should be safe from Forsaken due to Sylvanas (as long as they keep doing as she asks). The Goblins would also go neutral seeing the profit in doing so.Or just act as mercenarys to the highest bidder. The Orcs get on fairly well with the Tauren and The Trolls but eventually under somebody like Garrosh and being the warrior race they are, they would go to war over something petty with the Trolls and maybe will even decide that perhaps Thunder Bluff would look nicer as an Orc city and invade? This is the moment that the Forsaken would strike quickly bringing the Horde into conflict with itself.I suspect the sneaky Forsaken would win too (the bligt would help). So actually I think we need the Alliance to stick around to stop our own infighting. |
If for examples sake the Horde did beat the Alliance and virtually wipe them off the map.How long would it take for the Horde to turn in upon itself?Not long I would guess. well to be homest, though I think you may be right to some degrees, if the horde was aiming for the utter anhilation of the alliance. so many neutral groups would no longer be neautral and just attack the horde. if you look carefully at the lore you wil realize the horde is nearly fully engaged in the war, many alliance parts are not fighting the horde yet (due to other conflicts now resolved) and more importantly the horde would not suffer infighting.. there would be no horde. the tauren and trolls have their limits and are seriously not liking the situation as it is, the mass anhilation of multiple races will not appeal to them. and the blood elves are at leas partially friendly with parts of the alliance like the high elfs they are reconciling with. so in conclusion I can say even though this is a "what if scenario" it cannot possibly ever get that far |
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It can actually Redemptioner...alliance bites the dust day by day quest by quest. If this continue like this, we ll be wiped or maybe Drenai's will build their spaceship for us to move another planet. Cose while i fly over Azeroth With Nephala, while im watching the land and ppl we lose on Cata, im like " I dont want to live in this planet anymore"...
Even, the xpansion Cata started as Night elven destruction at Darkshore and in a very vile and mercyless style... Night elven ppl killed, their corpses separated to pieces and hang on trees and buildings in blood..I was like wth????? this was kinda beyond the line for an MMO...So since Blizz killing a factions ppl in this way, they can make a wipe whenever they like..cose they DID NOT CARE at cata.. About OP...Delighted to see some horde fella shares same feelings with me. Alliance need Horde and Horde needs Alliance..this is the rule and this is the reason why we playing this MMO. Also if alliance wiped i agree with the OP about everything she/he noticed on post. |
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Yeah, night elves definitely got the short straw in this expansion. I don't mind staggering losses when they make sense, but it was simply ridiculous how much the night elves lost compared to the other forces caught up in the Cataclysm.
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But they also got new hubs in Stonetalon. Auberdine has been destroyed but the new village in Darkshore is very much the same size, and their presence in Feralas has been strengthened. Only in Ashenvale did they lose significant ground. When it comes to the night elves I am far more disappointed with the development of its central characters. Take Fandral Staghelm. Finally an important character with a different agenda, a previous night elf supremacist. But of course this does not go well with the political correctness in WoW, so he too (just like Garrosh and likely Maiev) became an 'evil boss'. |
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@vereshya
Would love to mention bout pop-up Malfurion who snores while some horde ppl jumps over his wife just standing near to him... Also check the destruction level at lands..no other faction lost tht big numbers from slaughter as night elves lost. Also every factions homeland (except Gilneas i dont call it a homeland however, it is a shietty bg nottin more for me) stays strong but our homeland Ashenvale razed to the ground also torned by a volcano. Stonetalon now is a massive razed ground for me and pointless base of fighting. About Feralas....A whole island sunk down and Shandris saved by Tyrande and malfurion just she was on the edge of death. Feralas still same what it has in main land if you ignore the Feathermoon isle but still no significant story or victory exists there. |
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Edited by Veréshya on 06/04/12 16:06 (BST)
I like the new Stonetalon more, the night elves used to have one hub there (with a vendor, an innkeeper, and a son of Cenarius, lol). The zone is a full war now, but at least the night elves play their part now. It used to be pretty much a Horde zone like Duskwood was/is for the Alliance.
They lost their island in Feralas, but the new Feathermoon is awesome and ready to strike at the Horde. Add Estulan and his mages to that and Feralas could become fully dominated by the night elves. There is no story about the faction conflict now, though there is good potential for kaldorei domination. But there only is potential for that when the storywriters for once acknowledge the edge night elves have in forests. This is not reflected ingame, yet orcs never show disadvantage in whatever environment they enter.. -_- |
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this actually...we read bout stories and victories but all we see is lokthar ogar cries everywhere with razed, collapsed and massacred (also revived as forsaken) alliance everywhere. |
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just think this is worth repeating, if the horde was actively trying to mass exterminate the night elves, the many druid would not remain neutral, the aspects would help their loyal friends as would the ancients.
the night elves have the closest of bonds with the more active in mortal affairs aspects/ancients. and considering the night elves ahd the ability to utterly destroy archimonde in a trap you would think if you push them, they would abandon all concepts of honour and morals and put everything into surviving |
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Edited by Maievs on 06/04/12 17:56 (BST)
At one point, a translation from a blizzard Q&A over on the chinese forums stated that Garrosh wished to "eradicate" the night elves, though it appears to have since been retranslated to defeat. And he still wants to conquer the whole place. And lets not forget that the forsaken were murdering druids while they slept during Vanilla, and yet they're still barely doing anything (nor asking why Thrall didn't do anything about it). So yeah, they're stupid neutral. |
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Edited by Ulgrim on 06/04/12 18:14 (BST)
Hmmm I kinda agree I have noticed the Alliance basically serving as a lightning rod for the Hordes hate but I only half agree with you saying the horde would wipe each other out.
With Garrosh in charge yes they would wipe each other out, with Thrall the Goblins, Trolls, Tauren and Orcs would do fine but they would end up going into all out war with the Forsaken, im unsure about the Blood elves. To be honest though the Horde+Alliance have too many ties with other races like Dragons or the Ancients so neither can really be wiped out especially not races like Tauren or Dranei who try remain neutral as best as they can . EDIT: I didn't really fully read the thread so I may have just repeated a bunch of stuff already said with out knowing. |
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One of the things I am very eager to find out is just what does Garrosh do to make most of the Horde turn on him?
Does he do something unspeakably evil to the Alliance?Or perhaps he gets paranoid and attempts to take out rivals who speak out against him in the Horde?Maybe a combination of both? The journey to this point should be fun. The very fact that it seems to be an Alliance/Horde coalition that takes out Garrosh eventually seems to prove my point that the Horde needs the Alliance and vice versa.Thrall knows this already and probably by the end of mists Varian too. |
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garrosh is evil-ish and that aint good for horde's reputation for when new players have to chose side;S. lluckily when thrall is back we(The Horde)might get our Honor and Respect back, and maybe even have a 50/50 chance when new players have to chose side:D!(but all that depends on if devs wanna make a better description for the Horde...)
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garrosh is evil-ish and that aint good for horde's reputation for when new players have to chose side;S. lluckily when thrall is back we(The Horde)might get our Honor and Respect back, and maybe even have a 50/50 chance when new players have to chose side:D!(but all that depends on if devs wanna make a better description for the Horde...) There's a difference between radical and evil(though admittedly, this is not reflected well in the lore). Garrosh didn't have to be a evil character, it just seems Blizz can't write gray characters these days. Thrall didn't make for a very good warchief, because his morals and upbringing didn't match that of his people. He was raised as a human, he adhered to human ideas of honor, not orcish ideas of honor. He also could not keep the Forsaken in check at all. Granted, they're running wild with their Blight under Garrosh, but that Blight was developed under Thrall. Thrall did have one great moment as warchief, namely when he played several cults of the Shadow Council against each other, but beside that, nothing. And then he went neutral. Then he was taken completely over top, essentially becoming Cata's main character and suddenly wield power comparable to that of the Aspects. |
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Edited by Veréshya on 13/06/12 10:51 (BST)
If you think Garrosh is ''evil'' then you should stop playing Horde because he isn't the only one that commits atrocities. Getting Thrall back has to be a joke after all that has happened in this expansion. It would be a big slap in the face to Alliance players. I think it's you that needs to look into the lore to get a better idea of the Horde. |
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The only reason that the blood elves even do Sylvanas' bidding is in order to hold onto Quel'thalas from the remaining scourge (Which should be solved by now, atleast in lore)
The blood elves now have the sunwell back, and with the return of the sunwell, it is even speculated that the runestones which once protected quel'thalas with its magical shield, is now up and running again. I actually think the blood elves would stand rather nicely against the forsaken by now, seeing as the forsaken would have quite a long wander through the plagueland (and it may worry the Argent Crusade aswell) in order to come to quel'thalas, as I doubt the blood elves would be very fond of having the teleporting orb in the back of their city in case they went neutral or against the forsaken, no one is THAT stupid. I don't think the orcs would stay a warrior society if the alliance is gone. Thrall would return to banner the orcs once again, and slowly they would surely return to their shamanistic roots under the leadership of Thrall. If the alliance was to be beaten, then the horde would no longer have to fight, they would no longer have to band together in order to survive against the alliance, we must remember that the horde is the underdog faction, they would no longer have a reason to fight for their survival if the alliance just left. The orcs could freely wander into Ashenvale and chop down trees, and the tauren can again wander freely across the barrens without the alliance burning down the poor, giant, peaceful creatures. |
I love Garrosh, he is the example of what the orcs need in their dire times. If the orcs cannot get what they need through diplomatic needs, then they will take it by force. Sadly though, the big brute overreacted, and went into a full war against the alliance. And the destruction of Theramore will even anger the alliance even more, and make them devote themselves 100% to the war aswell, I expect major push backs to the horde. Except, the horde haven't really gained anything throughout the Catalysm, other than full control of Hillsbrad, but that is about it. And they finally have a settlement in Blasted Lands aswell, about time. |
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When they don't have a common enemy, they will fight each other. They are bloodthirsty creatures and that won't go away if humans and night elves are gone.
Azshara, large parts of Ashenvale (Alliance fights back but it's not shown ingame -phasing), Gilneas, WPL. |
When they don't have a common enemy, they will fight each other. They are bloodthirsty creatures and that won't go away if humans and night elves are gone.Except, the horde haven't really gained anything throughout the Catalysm, other than full control of Hillsbrad, but that is about it. And they finally have a settlement in Blasted Lands aswell, about time.Azshara, large parts of Ashenvale (Alliance fights back but it's not shown ingame -phasing), Gilneas, WPL. Azshara have no alliance in it anyway, so it wasn't too much of a challenge. Ashenvale have, according to lore, been reclaimed fully. The orcs was forced out of Ashenvale. Gilneas is still contested city, to the horde have not gotten it. The horde gained nothing but Hillsbrad through the Catalysm events. |
