Topic [Discussion] Prestige Classes
How do people feel about them? I play a Templar. Some people don't like that. Some people do. I'd be interested to see people's take on these classes. Some RPers don't like them because of the lack of background to them, perhaps feeling that there isn't enough lore to justify the characters themselves. Fair point I guess.
What are your thoughts on how to RP these effectively?
Do you think that they're overpowered?
Do you think that the RPG book has no place ingame?
If you do play a prestige class, how has it affected your experience within the community and can you state examples?
When I RP a prestige class, I tend to offset this with trying to be as fair as possible. I'd like to think I'm not known for being horridly overpowered. For example, using abilities like Holy Lightning is absolutely exhausting. It's something I'd save for demons and scourge only. Other than that, I just mash stuff with a hammer and Hulk out. Templars, from what we know, use unorthadox applications of the Light. Then Bam. Nothing else is written. Way I deal with that is to just take it fairly handily. For instance, me and an unnamed trolldoggy are working on Light based explosives. It's a cool concept. Fitting for that type of character.
So yeah. I'd like to read your opinions on these concepts in general.
Edited by Nakasu on 06/04/12 12:25 (BST)
I personally think that prestige classes are there to be picked, and should be picked, if you don't feel that the class you play can't tell everything about your char, or you want to concentrate on a single part of your class. However, there are few prestige classes that are harder to play than others, and if played wrong, can display OPness and bad RP. Such classes are:
Easy RPG classes, small chance to lorelol & act Op:
- Dark Apothecary
- Royal Guard
- Elementalist ( <- Me.)
- Techno Mage
- Warp Hunter/huntress
- Spirit walker
Hard RPG classes:
- Shadow Ascendant
- Spirit Champion (Perhaps the hardest & Most OP lorewise, in my opinion.)
- Dragon Knight
- Battle Mage
Now, these are my own thoughts, and no doubt others will like to object about the list. I gathered the list from various RP experiences I've had with players. The list itself is nothing but a scratch of all the prestige classes that exist, and should not be considered as a canon source.
80 Undead Death Knight
Edited by Mary on 06/04/12 12:33 (BST)
It depends how you pull it off. Prestige classes can be interesting to play out, and challenging as well. Mainly because often the abilities described are pretty overpowered, and the art is to be able to keep the core of the class, to stay true to what defines the class, without claiming you can do all the Mary-Sue abilities linked to it.
Not sure if it belongs here, but since it's listed as a prestige class, it'd come in handy to note here:
I always thought Graven Ones were an intriguing concept, and a shame they weren't elaborated on.
Aside from that, in Mists of Pandaria, I might actually make a Graven One character.
the art is to be able to keep the core of the class, to stay true to what defines the class, without claiming you can do all the Mary-Sue abilities linked to it.
Well, with some of them, their powers go hand in hand with keeping to the core of the class. Though I do agree it's important to not let it drift toward Mary Sueish behavior.
I RP a Templar. Would it be construed as being Sueish to suggest that a lot of DKs would end up as a stain against me? Simply because of the Light's effect on undead and how aggresively the Templars use it.
Most people I have come across seem to have no issue with this. However, there are those that will go out of their way to try to discourage you in a bad way. i.e. trolling.
Set yourself a certain amount of rules and guidelines to RP with. As to fighting the "overpowered" fight, understand this--The easiest way to avoid being overpowered is to lock yourself into a set of rules that makes sense not only to you, but to everyone else as well. Those who are overpowered effectively have free reign over others, and other RPers don't like to deal with that level of "threat." They fear godmoding and other such things. However, if you abide by a rather strict code of limitations, people are more willing to accept what you're doing and even allow you to step beyond those rules from time to time. Quoted from Tharion.
They are very powerful. And it depends on how you RP that reflects that. Just because your prestige class can one swipe 10 enemies, doesn't mean that you should.
Playing a Demon Hunter, has been amazing. The Role Play I can create myself brings excitement and wonder to those I choose to RP with. There are those, that I do not know, that choose to /w hateful and bad things on the way THEY would play a Demon Hunter, or how they KNOW someone with a Demon Hunter. The bottom line is, if you have a problem with the way someone RP's, then talk to them in a mature manner to solve your issue. Because, afterall, it is YOUR issue that you have. Not the RPer.
Example: After being given a druidic passage of acceptance to enter a settlement, not city, I was picking up several supplies on a hunt I was on. I happened to be passing by, shown my letter of permission from a local Druidic Elder to the local authorities and all was well. Then came the random Rper and their /w. I will not give the name for Forum rules, however I began to explain the reasoning why a DH would be entering a settlement. They began to lecture me and tell me I was 100% wrong, etc. etc. I wished them a good day and placed them on ignore.
Example: First few days of being on AD I reached out to the Demon Hunter community. Out of the thousands of players on AD, I had contacted .05% of the population to play this Class. I was immediately instructed on what weapons I could RP with, and what clothes not to wear as the others were reserved for them. Again, will not go into names here, but the idea was that I reached out to the community and was treated that way. Good thing is, I have refused RP with those individuals and wish them the best of luck.
However, my general opinion of the Argent Dawn Community is held in high regard. I enjoy Random RP. I enjoy Events I attend, and I am always willing to teach, or to inform the people with questions/comments/concerns about Demon Hunters. I love this Realm, and many of the people on it.
What also strikes me, is that so many that have played successful Demon Hunters here, refuse to accept some things. Such as Death Knight Demon Hunters. Seeing as they are Undead, I have provided a link, scroll to the bottom and wowwiki will even provide such evidence of ones.
Also, another amazing reference point.
I wish anyone the best of luck playing a prestige class. It is certainly a challenge, and there will be more than enough players that will criticize you. If you practice with it and have fun, that's all you can do. I for one will respect you for doing just that.
Edited by Akru on 06/04/12 12:54 (BST)
Interesting as they are, it is extremely hard to pull one off without falling into the "OP" cathegory.
Other classes that could be added:
- Inquisitors (Of both shadow and light).
- Apothecaries (As a class, not profession).
- Any elite unit. (Dreadguard, Blood knight etc).
- Demon hunter.
- Dark Paladin.
- 'Risen' (Undead paladin/light user).
- Druid of the <name here>.
- Shadow walker (Follower of the shadow who can't be ascendant?).
- Rune Guardian/Mage etc.
Edited by Ravenbane on 06/04/12 12:49 (BST)
Yes, and on top of that, even if you are a Demon Hunter, it doesn't mean you need to have glaives. As you can see on one of those pictures, Tauren Demon hunter for example uses a chain.
I've met one good Lich Player. He had joined the Forsaken after the Scourge lost its influence in Lordaeron, from what I remember. He didn't act OP at all, on top of that.
Edited by Kagayon on 06/04/12 12:50 (BST)
I pretty much gathered that death knights are subliminal fighters that can take multiple hits, but when they face a wielder of the light, that they'd pretty much be.. ehh.. doomed to be reduced to a pile of ashes, so to say.
Of course, we can't implement all those things in game and will have to limit those, but when I play a Death Knight, it is still essential that he basically tries to deliberately avoid getting in to a fight with a paladin or any other light-wielding class.
On the case of restricting chars & Mary-Sueishness(?) I pretty much agree, but every class, even the playable ones will need restriction to function in roleplay. I think it's a good thing, because a flawless class would be boring, especially in roleplay.
While I'm of the opinion that they are ultimately rather mild on the "OP"-scale (nothing a few tweaks won't fix), I do agree that the role must be performed with great care.
Very true Ravenbane. The Warglaives are the typical choice, however they are not the only choice. I RP with many DH that use Daggers, Swords, etc. To role play with the Warglaive of Azzinoth is not in itself wrong. Claiming to wield them is. The ones I wield, are just plane Warglaives of no significant value.
One thing should be risen aswell, is the armour & gear the people use.
I personally think that it's quite OP for a Death Knight to wear full saronite armor. Not only does it make almost immune to light, but protects from many schools of magic aswell. Death Knights are powerful as they already are, so it shouldn't be overdone with such thing.
What I think of Paladin vs Death Knight..While it is true that LIght is a powerfull weapon against them, on the other hand, Death Knight can overpower the Holy Light with Unholy powers, so I'd say it's around 50/50
Agree with Ravenbane 100%.
There are too many Role Players out there that will make their characters damn near invincible, and this is not fun.
Of course none of us want to die, but it's your RP that will prevent that, and shouldn't be how many layers of armor you put on that is inconcieveable.
Playing the average farmhand or city guard presents in itself not enough meat and potatoes for most players. Playing a prestige class gives them that extra oomph. But going so deep into the character to make them immune to everything is absurd.
Then again, when facing such Rpers, it's not wonder why others do it to protect themselves.
I agree. The fun lies in having flaws for the character to overcome.
My own character sucks at everything so he resorts to doing what Apothecaries does best.. Poisons and bombs.
Slightly similiar to Akru (also use of various concoctions and all that mumbo-jumbo) Kagayon is not really a great fighter, especially when he has/can not have a demon with him, to protect his fragile body, so he usually relies on luring people into traps.