Topic double dps 2's (lol)
Edited by Dranime on 08/04/12 14:31 (BST)
This week i played frostdk + restosham. I am almost geared up now, got another piece today with the gloves (trinket from tol barad is a bit bad maybe) and still need a few enchants.
Problem is double dps with hunters, ferals, retri's, rogues, dk's (meet them quite often).
I just get rushed down so super fast.
Im trying to stay a bit on my mount at the start(so its harder to catch me xD) and that my dk can jump them first.
Even the game vs double dps, where i didnt die quick, seemed more or less like a loss eventually.
We tryed to win the game by making the kill on the retri.
I grounded several clones and purged a few of them (the buff). Hooray for voice addon :).
So i felt like, sweet, this is going our way.
I had to trinket repentance.
Without trinket, i got HoJ in my face and than i received a clone while in the stun.
Teammate died during those 2 cc.
Even a game where my dk ate a trap for me, we still almost lost (that should pay off more imo), he won with like a few k hp left in the 1 on 1.
What should we do to handle double dps comps?
Any specific things we might be missing?
Can this setup handle them?
edit: my friend came up with the name he has for his dk, for the lolz.
So ppl would rage if they got killed by a dk with that name. He is not a retard xD.
Edited by Dranime on 08/04/12 17:38 (BST)
getting on my nerves.
Played again today.
only meet double dps.
gonna try do some payback soon, by trying retri restosham (same dk player).
Bring it on double dps!
edit: I would still appriciate dk sham 2's tips though.
Switch to resto/lock and eat double dps all day long :)
No, I dont know. I suppose you need more coordination on when to use what CDs. If the dps are going for you the DK should be able to peel one of them with DG/root. Against hunters, try to line of sight them as much as possible.
your DK have to help you, so start with ES on u from start try to get max HP on u with riptide +10% HP and 10% damage reduction. When u see them coming drop Stoneclaw for shield. If they open with CD's your DK should be at max range from u and grip one DPS from u. If there is caster strangulate him.
U can be defensive against 2 DPS. If they are after your DK he have to learn how to survive when u are under CC. I have not played with DK for 2 seasons so I am not sure if unholy is way to go but if yes then he should spare unholy frenzy for your Poly or Blind/Repetance.
Edited by Dranime on 10/04/12 09:17 (BST)
Sorry for the long post.
Even found some problems now in heal dps + heal dps.
Even when i dont drop dangerously low(and fakecast about every interrupt, which ppl kinda fall super easy for at this rating) and manage to drink here and there, my mana still drops faster than the other healer.
Meaning i need to drink more than them(yes i need to drink p_p).
Even when me and my dk manage to get several almost kills on the enemy healer or dps, their mana still faires better (in most matches vs heal + dps, we get a kill because we land several interrupts and sometimes i hex the healer when my dk gets peeled, so the healer cant heal up).
You see the other healerwith 20k or more mana than me, even saw a disc with 145k mana and they have those spirit trinket procs. (i have ~100k mana and no pve trinket).
My dk and me having ruthless gear(me not even full yet) isnt really helping much either when even at 1600 mmr already, ppl walk in full cataclysmic by now, with some sick pve stuff on top.
He said he will try get that tentacle weap and ill see what i might be able to improve meanwhile as well.
He is frost, not unholy. Said his gear as unholy, was to low to get kills.
We do the things you mention btw, the gripping from range, ams and such when i am in a cc.
I ground feral cyclones or purge the buff and use focus target wind shear shocks and hex.
I drop mana tide the moment i have lost the mana it gives, to get the max out of it.
The things i listed that we do, should pay off more i think, but its not really paying off.
I wonder if it was smart to return to the game this late in cata, on an old alt which, fair enough, i have never really healed on before.
Stand max range from your DK if it's double DPS. That way you barely get any CC at all.
By the time i am out of cd's, they are often still alive :( and i die.
Now i noticed one thing i could improve.
I have this urge to get involved a lot in the fight, which often makes me want to interrupt with shocks all the time when they are off cd, ground everything when off cd and use hex everytime its off cd :P. Which doesnt keep me at max range :D, i can tell you that (although that is more the case vs healer and dps and vs double dps i am just running for my life lol).
Vs shamhealers that hug pillar all the time i have this ''ill just NS hex your pillar hugging bloody #$$#$#'' feeling lawls.
Something i could maybe improve in my playstyle is hugging pillars more tightly i think and play like a pillar hugging #($*#(*$#$ :P.
Better to just play it safe like that?
Mate some comps just dont work in 2's. If you want to get tho 2200 its not worth your effort really coz it doesnt means sth in 2s. if you play it for fun or point cap than i think every1 with half brain can cap conq points even with no coordination from a random people found at tradechat so you can do it. if you want to win most of the time you should play the fotm comps like feral, rogue or frost mage , rogue or 2 f mage can work frost mage,fire mage works if they know how to play their class. i am not a arena expert but i think you problem is frost dks dont have much surv. when they are on their own. Is he using all self heal abilities and def. cds while he is being focused and you are cced? if he is than you prob. outgeared if he isnt that try that. Coz altough frost dks are good at peeling they miss oh crap buttons or get the hell out of here abilities. Unholy on the other hand is more mobile have more control. it will be better you to play this comp when he is able to play uhnholy.
I did some 2s with my friend for fun and point cap where i play a disco pri and he an unholy dk. worked pretty well for us. ofc burst it nothing compared to frost but eventually he was killing them 1 at a time. cant give any tips on dk's tough coz i dont know much about them.
I will suggest however a guy called "arkeylol" on youtube he is a gladiator shammy which he has very very decent resto shaman tips for you to increase your output i strongly reccomend you to watch his videos.
Edited by Edgaros on 13/04/12 00:39 (BST)
well i have no ressi and i got trained maybe once or twice by double rogue. what i am doing is this.
arena starts - stoneclaw on the ground - hots on me (earth shield on me,riptide,HR as well,etc) and i keep myself hidden. that will make you survive fisrt few secs of burst DPS ... then i use trinket if needed when my HP is bellow 60% and insta heal ---> i mean unleashed weap + GHW ---> i garantee you will come back to 100%... earth shield on you at all the time. then wolf form.. earthbind totem on the ground... and then Spiritwalker's Grace while on run and as always first riptide for fast cast, unleash weapon followed by GHW... i really doub that anyone can kill you on rating bellow 1800. and if really needed spirit link as well... but DK should help you out and slow them down.. or kill meanwhile.