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shaman or druid healer ?
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which one will be more usefull in raids and why, atm i think its druids because of their strong OP aoe heals but i might be wrong.
gives ur suggestions :P |
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Edited by Martialis on 14/04/12 13:21 (BST)
<3 My experience on druid was terrible. Of course there are way more skilled druids around, but if you don't want to go in panic when several party members are on low hp and have incoming damage, I'd pick shaman. If you have beta access you can copy premades of 85 shaman and 85 druid and see what suits you better. |
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Edited by Avendesora on 15/04/12 03:44 (BST)
After clearing Dragon Soul with all 5 healing specs, this is how I rate the specs in usefulness from personal experience:
Resto Shaman > Holy Priest > Holy Paladin > Discipline Priest > Resto Druid. Edit: Forgot to mention I'm speaking from a 25 man perspective. |
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In, ds it is way far from underpowered. Sure out of it you need something for spread aoe healing, but Avendesora is right. |
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I suppose nobody here played a resto druid full equipped or near to be :p
Resto shaman is the top only if he's full haste, BUT... he's the leader of overhealing too. Holy priest is very good only if he got a lot of equip or this class sucks. Disc priest... perhaps. You need a good player :) Resto druid... if you play a spirit-druid °_° good luck, you can heal very good and go to the top of the healer in 10man (HC or not) If you play a classic druid you can be the first or the second healer of your raid in 25man HC (personal experience). ANYWAY just check which healers you'll have in your roster... with a shaman full haste you have no choice anyway to be the first, because he'll do million and million of overhealing :DI played every class and IMHO for 25man HC the best choice are shaman haste (if you don't care about overhealing) or resto druid. Holy priest with a very high equip. If you want to heal single target disc priest or pala holy. |
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I have both Resto druid and Shaman. Although my druid is superior than my shaman in gear wise I still think my shaman still handle pretty well in heroics (twilight) the only downside of my shaman is that there cast time and whenever i'm at a boss that requires the party to run about avoiding the boss' ability I'm kind of stuck using riptide and natures swiftness.
Resto shaman players prefer mastery over haste but i think haste would be helpful if you're spamming healing wave and chain heal on a single target. As for druid, because i'm more equipped than my shaman, my healing spell power is at the 9k mark where as my shaman is at 7.8k. I find that healing parties are easier and that wild growth is a instant cast every 6 seconds Overall, If my shaman is well equipped as my druid, I would prefer my shaman for healing - Why? Because of chain heal and better single target heals. |
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Edited by Kenjai on 16/04/12 01:56 (BST)
1. Healing Wave isn't used by Shamans in raids. You either use Lightning Bolt for Mana Regen or Greater Healing Wave for single target spam, not Healing Wave which is pretty bad at both, especially in hc's when you need maximum healing throughput. It was okay to use HW back in 4.1 and 4.2, but not 4.3 as a main heal :P 2. It sounds good on paper, but I'd still stack mastery. Each point of mastery gives 3% more healing done to someone on 1% hp which means that (IN MY OPINION); High hp: Haste > Crit > Mastery Medium hp: Crit > Mastery > Haste Low hp: Mastery > Crit > Haste Why? Because Haste only gives you 0.1-0.2 less casting time most of the time, but with Tidal Waves you'll have alot of -30% cast times on GHW which makes haste a bit redundant in that respect. As for Chain Heal spamming; yes it is slow, but mastery/crit combination makes it a pretty solid skill when people are actually dropping. Remember; Shamans are weird because we don't do topping up very well (Healing Stream/Riptide is pretty much our most mana friendly techniques with maybe some healing waves if mana is in check). It all revolves around our precious mastery which makes us excel with people on low hp :P |
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Edited by Jyyn on 16/04/12 14:48 (BST)
It all depends on which playstyle you like. I have all healing classes at 85 except Paladin, all of them were my mains at some point.
I played Resto Shaman in Tier 6, Sunwell, Tier 7, Tier 9, Tier 10. I played Resto Druid in Tier 11, Tier 12. I played Discipline (Holy) Priest in Tier 13. Now I switched back to my Resto Druid. Because I still enjoy it the most. Basically: Resto Druid - incredibly mobile - good HPS (not that strong after nerfs atm) - no raid cooldowns except Tranquility which is pure HPS - very fast-paced (HoTs) - GCD (global cooldown) locked (can be spammy in hectic situations, I personally like it) - requires good micro-management to play well (Harmony mastery up-time (super important), Lifebloom uptime (very important), Swiftmend requires Rejuvenation etc.) - lots and lots of green numbers :D Resto Shaman - very stationary (gone with MoP, Riptide will turn into Rejuvenation) - great HPS on stationary fights - slower-paced (more big single-target heals, Chain Heal slow) - intriguing mastery, heals get more powerful the lower people are; impossible to theorycraft with - Chain Heal is still (after 6 years) a fun spell Discipline Priest - very stationary, but less so than Resto Shamans - great HPS - unique in their pre-shield mechanic; opens up new gameplay (similar to Druid pre-hotting, although more-powerful) - lots of raid great raid cooldowns (Power Infusion, Pain Suppression, Power Word: Barrier, Divine Hymn (gone with MoP), Hymn of Hope) - requires micro- (Rupture uptime, Prayer of Mending uptime) as well as macro-management (pre-shielding, Rupture shield-timing) - will probably always be awesome because of unique shielding capability Those are my impressions. I wouldn't say Priests are more difficult to play than Druids, they're different. Druids require constant and heavy micro-management, no one else has to constantly keep up their mastery. Priests require more prophylactic thinking: when will damage come, who will be damaged. Although Druids have that aspect as well: pre-hotting for a Ragnaros HC Magma Trap has a similar feel for example. |
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just see how you like to play
if you wanna wait and see what happens go shaman if you know the fights and know when damage is incoming to your raid group go druid i perf to play with a resto druid. its nice when you know what you need to do on what time it give you an "extra" in the game. however its what you like to do, all classes have there good and bad things. first see what roll you like to have as a healer. and afther that you pick a class. enyway gl and hope you find the right class for you :) |
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I think you sarcasm-radar is off. 8( |
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I always enjoyed my druid more than my shaman. However shaman is can be a lifesaver on tanks, which druids can't, due the shamans mastery he/she can get crazy high heals compared to resto druids.
But if you speak about being high on the meters, druid would be the way to go. However with DS currently being as it is, shaman can also be top =) |
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Edited by Mikiko on 17/04/12 13:07 (BST)
There's no use for Healing Wave. Absolutely none at all. The heal it gives is close to pathetic in 4.3 HC situations (and normal to some extent) and the mana regen is meh because of the scaled up manapools. When you have LB/GHW combo at your disposal and have used it for a while now, you'd understand why HW/HS aren't used anymore :P Ps. Another way to put it is; if someone needs a small top up; you have 1-2 other healers who can do that. Shammie's mastery means they excel on lower hp targets; we suck with topups since it ends up in overhealing (Riptide) or wasted time (Healing Wave). I say wasted time because you could be using Lightning Bolt for 3-6% mana a hit/crit. |
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Edited by Cricket on 20/04/12 03:45 (BST)
Healing wave is extremely useful if you have full mana and nothing to attack and nothing to heal. Then you can use it to.. err.. buff ancestral vigor?
Anyway I have a druid too, but I can't be having with it. It would be fine in a 25 man environment I guess, but when raiding 10 man I feel right helpless without the big mastery heals in case the manure hits the fan. Why don't you make a couple of premade 85 and try em out yerself on the beta? We are all just blabbering our opinions anyway. |
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I tried druid. I really tried. But for me there's really one healer amongst my army of alts and that is my ol' trusty shammy. It is not about spirit link totem alone. but for me there's good balance and flow amongst shaman healing spells (and their costs). for me shaman is most logical healer. And besides for its easier to bind shamans buttons to mouse than any other healers for me.
Shaman ftw ! |
