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Disc/holy in DS10 when and why?
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Edited by Mysfaktor on 16/04/12 00:28 (BST)
I really love both of the speccs. I ran normal ds10 as holy all the way through, but on some bosses I couldn't stop thinking if disc would have been better, or if I'm just doin' it all wrong (was the first time ever as priest healer in ds10).
Morchock for example, I didn't feel like I had that much of an advantage of holys skills. Holy word:sanctuary for example, I didn't feel like it was worth wasting that mana cost on laying it beneath 2 melee dpsers, and I ended up with throwing more single-target heals than aoes. Same with hagara, there wasn't any real raid dmg (or my rshammy-m8 healed everyone up before I noticed/reacted) so same there, ended up with more singe-target heals than aoes. The only times I really felt like Holy was better was on yorsahj, warlord (black phase) and Ultra, when everyone was stacked and could benefit from my sanctuary. Madness was pretty even, at the corruption I wished I was Disc, but when we were stacked at the blisterings I loved holy and it's sanctuary and aoe healing. I have some more examples but I think you get what I'm trying to understand. Should I switch to disc on some bosses or not, and why? I just want the run through DS to be as smooth as possible, and to make it clear, I don't give !@#$ about HPS or the meters, the only thing that's important is that we take down the boss, and my healer m8 didn't had to do everything by himself. |
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Well for both bosses it better for you to stay in serenity chakra. Disc benefits in some fights, but it doesn't mean you have respec for fights. Both speces are viable for all bosses, but in some encounter you will have to play harder to benefit. Playe whatever you like and don't listen to anyone, just do what you do best :)
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Edited by Scrüb on 16/04/12 11:41 (BST)
DIsc is good for all bosses. Holy is good for most bosses. Either spec can clear 8/8 hc. So I'd say play the spec you're the most comfortable with. So this means, get a disc offspec and try it out for a night. And don't just try it on one boss and think it sux, spend the entire evening as disc unless you really fail at it.
(I'm forced to stay disc though qq, but I love disc over holy)
DOes that means he shouldn't listen to you either? :D |
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I really love both of the speccs. I ran normal ds10 as holy all the way through, but on some bosses I couldn't stop thinking if disc would have been better, or if I'm just doin' it all wrong (was the first time ever as priest healer in ds10). I love holy on Hagara actually. I use Sanctuary on Ice Tombs and on the electric phase I renew everyone and spam PoM and CoH on CD. Leap Of Faith can come in handy too if a dpser decided to run to the ice spikes before he should (and let's face it, there are plenty of retarded dpsers who pay no attnetion to their surrounding). You can also switch to Serenity on Ice/elecrticity and go Sanctuary back for ice tombs. This is a fight (at least on normal) which you can just have a bit of fun with your different abilities because there isn't a lot of raw healing to be done. |
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Posted by Dreffan I mean listen to no one, but the pumping muscle in your chest :) |
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Edited by Halaberiel on 16/04/12 18:07 (BST)
I played both early on, although I haven't played either recently... I would think at this stage in the game it doesn't really matter much, it's unlikely you'll have any healing problems this tier. The problems you will likely encounter are people making silly mistakes & killing themselves, plus lack of DPS. The biggest problem is usually the latter though for most guilds.
Anyho... since you asked I'll answer Morchok, Zon'ozz, Yor'sahj - Disc Hagara - Holy if no Resto Druid for hymn during lightning phase, this can be a game changer. B&S is good frost phase if people are dying to the ice walls. I think Holy generally has the edge utility wise on this fight, although I still prefer disc personally (playing w/ resto druid & people don't die in frost phase) Ultraxion - Either is fine, disc is better if you're just DPSing while the other healer solo heals for 90% the fight. Depends on tactic... Warmaster - Disc disc disc, preshielding amazing P1 & P2, better tank healing in P2 & barrier is far superior to DH on this fight Spine - holy if you have problems with debuff healing, disc if you don't. Depends how capable your other healers are really. If you have a resto druid go disc for sure. Madness - Disc if no RShaman since barrier is almost mandatory (perhaps not now?), disc if playing w/ RDruid. I think either is viable though the preshielding from disc (through aegis) is really nice. This is all rather immaterial though because you're not likely to be on madness HC for a long time D: Then again reading your post again you seem to only be doing normals, so maybe this was a waste of time. Just play whichever you enjoy most imo... I have my preferences & reasons but honestly it really doesn't matter anymore. |
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Yes I'm currently only running normals due to my gear and hassitation of my own skills. But I guess that will improve, both of them.
I really appreciate your post Halaberiel, and I'm going to try what you suggested :) |
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Edited by Orbion on 17/04/12 10:43 (BST)
I played both early on, although I haven't played either recently... I would think at this stage in the game it doesn't really matter much, it's unlikely you'll have any healing problems this tier. The problems you will likely encounter are people making silly mistakes & killing themselves, plus lack of DPS. The biggest problem is usually the latter though for most guilds. I assume you mean HC mode. On normal, I see no advantage disc has over holy in any of the fights but Morchok and Warmaster (first phase mostly, second is nice for holy). I beat a better geared, experienced disc on all fights but these two. While disc can AOE heal pretty well, I'd take holy for raw AOE healing and Dragon Soul has lots of that. Haven't tried HC mode other than Morchok so far, but getting there soon. |
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From my experience and personal preferences i find the specs to be most effective when used as shown:
Normal Morchok - Holy (Stay in serenity for ST healing however use CoH after the stomps) Zon'ozz - Holy (Serenity AOE healing, however use disc if you are with a druid) Yor'sahj - Holy (Use disc if no other tank healer is present) Hagara - Holy (DH near the end of lightning phase) Ultaxion - Holy (Green) / Disc (red) Warmaster - Holy (DH either the first or 2nd big swirly so its up in P2) Spine - Holy (Large heals to clear debuff and renew to keep tank up) Madness - Holy! (use DH every platform excluding the 3rd one so its up for the bolt on 4th - may change depending on dps) Upon entering heroics you will find disc starts to take over being better on almost each fight depending on your setup :) |
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Edited by Orbion on 18/04/12 10:09 (BST)
From my experience and personal preferences i find the specs to be most effective when used as shown: On madness you use DH on 1st platform and its ready for the 2nd one? If so, I assume you pop it as soon as the corruption shows up. People shouldn't be taking much damage there for me to pop DH, unless they aren't spread. I just PoM tank and use Heal (or GH if got time and damage is big) to heal raid. I really don't see how DH helps on 1st platform in any way (unless you are there to top charts and DH gives you an early boost). Also, on Ultra I always use red, holy performs great on Ultra with red crystal with PoH/CoH combination + Sanctuary keeps everyone topped almost all of the fight. When it gets a bit dangerous I pop DH and the boss is dead. Also, funny you mention Disc being better on HC, because on Raidbots disc is superior on normal and holy on hc. |
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Edited by Preestess on 18/04/12 10:45 (BST)
Normal Our healer roster is 2 hpalas, 1 rdruid, 1 rshammy, and 3 priests in our 25m setup (now all on HC but doesn't matter): Out of the 7 healers, you always have some that either sit out on some fights, log dps alts, or just use an OS, as for the priest setup, one is 8/8 Holy, one is 8/8 Disc, and I am the one that switches depending on fights. Morchock am Disc (one disc goes on each side) Yor'sahj am Disc (one disc on tank, the other gets an assigned group) Zon'ozz am Holy (we need all hymns for black phases) Haggara am either/or, depends on the mood Ultraxion if one other priest is sitting out, I assume his role (to have one holy and one disc) Warmaster am Disc Spine am Holy Madness am either/or, depends on the mood |
