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When will rogues actually be fairly balanced?
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They have recieved nothing but constant buffs throughout cataclysm. Subtlety, which is designed as a pvp spec, is now the single most strong pve dps AND pvp spec. They ALSO have exclusive access to the legendary weapons. I sincerely hope that something drastic is going to happen to rogues come MoP, because im getting slightly sick of always seeing ROGUES at the top of metres, having my !@# handed to me in pvp by ROGUES and never even being able to sniff a legendary.
Some people reading this may think I'm just whining because I'm a bad player. I freely confess that I am not the best player on the game, ive cleared 8/8 DS normal and 2/8 HC. Many people are better. In pvp my highest rating has been 1600. I'm not a fantastic player, but I play enough to see when all these rogues are beating the living **** out of every other player in a five mile radius without even trying. |
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Subtlety rogues havent recieved only buffs in Cata if you dont believe me you can go check the patch notes.
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If you're getting your !@# handed to you in PvP by a Rogue, you need more practice. As for your statements about PvE, you obviously have no experience, and don't know what you are talking about.
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I remember this quote, fact is if your spec does more on peoples alts than what other classes sim to, it's extreme and arguably unbalanced. |
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Edited by Lienori on 18/04/12 16:28 (BST)
PvE Sub is great single-target in a patchwork fight, provided nothing gets in the way; combat is more effective at better numbers. Combat could imho do with a nerf on Flurry.
PvP Sub against a Ferals is not exactly a cake walk. Rogues are imho the overall best 1v1 class, but as a team they are not. I'm sorry but the OP screams of incompetence. |
In pve this is pretty much the first patch where it's been consistant. And your "Something in MoP" has been what's happened for the last three expansions. It's also quite possibly the reason why rogues went from "probably most popular class" in vanilla. To "least popular/second least popular" throughout Cata. Giving rogues legendaries is in part why they're not outright last at the moment, and is quite possibly the reason why they were given to rogues. That, and the only way to even give assassination and sub legendaries was to make daggers, or use a wholly different design of legendary. Or make a really rubbish ranged weapon that's maybe a couple of dps more for them. Which will never happen again. While yes, we're good, somebody has to be top in pve. Sub, being one of the harder specs to work, is a decent enough choice. Yes, pvp is perhaps over the top. It would help a lot though if Blizzard did actually man up and remove pve trinkets and legendaries from pvp- remove that and there's far less balancing to be done. And no, for pve rogues will definitely need to be very strong going out of MoP. Monks being pretty much rogue 2.0, when rogues are still more or less the same as in BC/Vanilla will kill the class if something's not done. PvP can probably be made to suffer slightly more, but as rogues are one of the more likely classes to switch over to monks, Blizzard really do have to be careful. |
Hey, at least you're not a whole class... And when? I thought it was just ret they hated and unfairly nerfed in pve? |
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They have recieved nothing but constant buffs throughout cataclysm. Subtlety, which is designed as a pvp spec, is now the single most strong pve dps AND pvp spec. They ALSO have exclusive access to the legendary weapons. I sincerely hope that something drastic is going to happen to rogues come MoP, because im getting slightly sick of always seeing ROGUES at the top of metres, having my !@# handed to me in pvp by ROGUES and never even being able to sniff a legendary. Don't complain, they'll never let you get a legendary if you do! I love rogues, they definately felt left out with them being great both in PvP and PvE, they deserved the legendary! They have ears everywhere! |
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Edited by Azriyel on 22/04/12 06:06 (BST)
*laughs and .. laughs* My sub rogues around world and Bgs to gank blood dks, let alone feral druids and I do not even have legendary weapons other than the initial quest rewards. Rogues are in ridiculous state... like they always are. Blizzards pet melee class. Blizzard was clear saying they do not ever want class exclusive legendary weapons... oh look what they did in cataclysm. No other class has received such special love. Oh and before you mention the bow, then the bow was added to shut up the hunters and even then many rogues got the weapon instead. You see not even the bow was class exclusive. And they could have added just druid version of the legendary since druids could ahve been able to do stealth part of the quests too. But nevermind, kalgan probably promised his rogue friend that he'll get her legendaries, so there.
Are you claiming ret is bad in PvE. Ret is amongst the mages and rogues that are there to cheese DS's hardest heroic fight. I let you think which one. |
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Rogue is a PURE DPS class, they should be topping dps meter...
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correct me if i am wrong, but isn't the top melee dps actually currently the Fury warrior. Rogues are good in pvp IF you are skilled with them you can't just face roll with a rogue you need to position and time cool downs well.
Currently bears are the best tanks for DS and Feral is still a damned good pvp choice Frost mage is still king of the OP poles though. So please show me where us rogues are top in everything? sure we bring great dps, but then all our specs are dps specs so they should! and Sub is designed to be the single target spec so SHOCK it does the most single target dps of the rogue specs |
